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Re: Why the disparity between aircraft and vehicle perks?
« Reply #45 on: July 09, 2017, 12:27:48 PM »
Used to be perked.
It was perked but not sure why.  Its not a great fighter at AH alts.   Certainly against the 190D its outclassed, vs the Yak3, Spit 16, F4U1D etc its toast.   This is why you see 190D's and not TA 152's flying around.     

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Re: Why the disparity between aircraft and vehicle perks?
« Reply #46 on: July 09, 2017, 12:29:53 PM »
What light perking of some models can achieve is to make 2nd-best variants flown more. The LA5 is one hell of a fighter, but it is a hangar queen because the even better LA7 (and it its rare 3 cannon configuration) is freely available.

P51B - same story. Older F4u, P47D, 190A5, 109G2/6... etc.

That brings us back to the old request to have the 3-gun La7 perked.... which actually isn't a bad idea. Would you advocate making the 6-gun P-51 and the 6-gun P47M perked too?

I do think the ENY/Perks could be tweaked slightly based on usage to create more variety.  I'm sure Snailman has a stat comparing usage/ENY :))

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Re: Why the disparity between aircraft and vehicle perks?
« Reply #47 on: July 09, 2017, 01:12:52 PM »
What light perking of some models can achieve is to make 2nd-best variants flown more. The LA5 is one hell of a fighter, but it is a hangar queen because the even better LA7 (and it its rare 3 cannon configuration) is freely available.

P51B - same story. Older F4u, P47D, 190A5, 109G2/6... etc.
Yeah its not about forcing people to fly crap planes.  A lightly perked Spit16 doesn't stop people flying Spit 16's it just discourages the "why fly a Spit 9 when I can jump in a 16" or "why fly a Yak9U when I can jump in a Yak 3".  The majority will always jump in the best free plane available.

Both the 9U and Spit 9 are awesome planes - no one loses out.  There are simply more options, Perk, Non-Perk versions.  A larger functional plane set.    Only good for the game.

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Re: Why the disparity between aircraft and vehicle perks?
« Reply #48 on: July 10, 2017, 10:40:43 AM »
I'm guessing and i'm not guessing. If HTC wanted everyone to fly one plane, he would create one plane,  but Aces High has over 50 planes - fact.

If the top dogs fly the 'one' plane, then naturaly the worse player HAS to take the 'one' plane to be able to compete vs them.

If Aces High has over 50 planes, but everyone is flying one plane to stay competetive vs other players, something is not correct.


that's just it  not every one fly's the same plane, and most planes can be used for certain things. I don't fly the same plane all day every day that would be boring.
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Re: Why the disparity between aircraft and vehicle perks?
« Reply #49 on: July 11, 2017, 09:09:55 PM »
Not everyone flies the same plane but almost everyone flies one of a small set of the best unperked and perked planes.  If you have 50 planes and people are only flying 10 you only have practically 10 planes in the game.

I try to fly terrible planes but often feel required to fly Spits,  although usually 9, not 16, La5, KI 84 etc because any early / mid war can't compete against experienced pilots flying the small late war set that is almost always chosen.

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Re: Why the disparity between aircraft and vehicle perks?
« Reply #50 on: July 11, 2017, 09:29:06 PM »
It could be due to the lack of GVs. With more planes it would make sense that there would be some disparity.

Not everyone flies the same plane but almost everyone flies one of a small set of the best unperked and perked planes.  If you have 50 planes and people are only flying 10 you only have practically 10 planes in the game.

I try to fly terrible planes but often feel required to fly Spits,  although usually 9, not 16, La5, KI 84 etc because any early / mid war can't compete against experienced pilots flying the small late war set that is almost always chosen.

I wish more players would fly the early/mid war planes. I fly the 47M more often than not, but my favorite is the P47-25, and the 11 is a blast. I hate upping ANY spit as they are all easy mode to me, the same with LA's. Why bother? At least the jugs only have 50's for what it is worth with the 50's we seem to have  :noid but jumping in a dweeb ride is not really an option.

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Re: Why the disparity between aircraft and vehicle perks?
« Reply #51 on: July 12, 2017, 09:59:13 AM »
I have over 50000 perks. I just rarely fly anything perked.
I'm in my PJ 99.5% of the time.

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Re: Why the disparity between aircraft and vehicle perks?
« Reply #52 on: July 12, 2017, 10:10:27 AM »

If you want to have the most fun, learn to fly a MW plane in LW.

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Re: Why the disparity between aircraft and vehicle perks?
« Reply #53 on: July 12, 2017, 11:00:49 AM »
Not sure if it could be called "beauty" though.  You can up some of the mid war planes or even early war planes but you will be slaughtered very quickly.   Except for a few very good and long term players you cannot really fly them in the MA unless you consider flying them spiraling down in a flaming heap as soon as you meet the average plane in the MA.

says who, early and mid war planes do very well here. you can't just rely of just the plane to win, learn your ACM's, the only ACM I know is the Split S and I do well. call for help if your in a bad situation. pilots don't live by planes alone
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Re: Why the disparity between aircraft and vehicle perks?
« Reply #54 on: July 12, 2017, 11:03:26 AM »
What light perking of some models can achieve is to make 2nd-best variants flown more. The LA5 is one hell of a fighter, but it is a hangar queen because the even better LA7 (and it its rare 3 cannon configuration) is freely available.

P51B - same story. Older F4u, P47D, 190A5, 109G2/6... etc.
I don't know where your flying Bozon but the LA-5 is no hanger queen.
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Re: Why the disparity between aircraft and vehicle perks?
« Reply #55 on: July 12, 2017, 11:08:18 AM »
What light perking of some models can achieve is to make 2nd-best variants flown more. The LA5 is one hell of a fighter, but it is a hangar queen because the even better LA7 (and it its rare 3 cannon configuration) is freely available.

P51B - same story. Older F4u, P47D, 190A5, 109G2/6... etc.

just read the rest of your post--wow man, are you a gv'er? all the planes you have listed here are flown everyday, and by more than 1 person.
all of these planes are 2nd line favorites to most pilots. just wow, where have you been?
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Re: Why the disparity between aircraft and vehicle perks?
« Reply #56 on: July 12, 2017, 11:16:46 AM »
Yeah its not about forcing people to fly crap planes.  A lightly perked Spit16 doesn't stop people flying Spit 16's it just discourages the "why fly a Spit 9 when I can jump in a 16" or "why fly a Yak9U when I can jump in a Yak 3".  The majority will always jump in the best free plane available.

Both the 9U and Spit 9 are awesome planes - no one loses out.  There are simply more options, Perk, Non-Perk versions.  A larger functional plane set.    Only good for the game.
A spit9 is every bit as good as a Spit 16 only 2 real differences Spit 16 is faster and carries 2 20mm and 2 .50 cal Spit 9 2-20mm and 4 .303 both same cannon ammo load 240 rds per cannon but Spit 16 can carry 3 bombs

only 2 planes that may need to be perked is Yak-3 and P47-M-perk them the same as the other perked planes- except of course the 262 and 163
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Re: Why the disparity between aircraft and vehicle perks?
« Reply #57 on: July 12, 2017, 01:20:11 PM »
In my subjective opinion, the performance differences  between individual tanks (notably armor & penetration) have a somewhat bigger impact on the results then those between the planes.

I nver feel comfortable disagreeing with Lusche butI think tanks are all two similar in that 2 hits will kill any tank. It's not like a TigerII can take 40 hits from other tanks. Perk tanks out in the field can be killed quite easily by free tanks, and very easily by bomb tards.

There a good chance your 262 is in no danger from anything [including GVs] in the arena if you fly it properly. It's 4 30mm cannons are nothing short of devastating and it carries something like 450 rounds of ammo [the awesome K4 carries 65 rounds in 1 gun by comparison]. 

A TigerII is no match for a bomb dropping aircraft. It's also very vulnerable to other tanks. A good shot in an un-perked tank can kill a TigerII with two or even 1 hit. So the tank's superiority in on-paper specs doesn't translate into easy dominance in the arena. That's why more TigerIIs are found sitting on the tarmac where they can land at the first sign of damage without losing their perks. If perk tanks required large numbers of perks, they would become too rare, because the risk/reward is too small.  :salute

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Re: Why the disparity between aircraft and vehicle perks?
« Reply #58 on: July 13, 2017, 01:13:09 AM »
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because any early / mid war can't compete against experienced pilots flying the small late war set that is almost always chosen

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Re: Why the disparity between aircraft and vehicle perks?
« Reply #59 on: July 13, 2017, 02:20:51 AM »
Some planes are flown because of ENY restriction, some because old hand's like their odd  plane, and some because the challenge of flying a high-ENY plane VS the uber-planes.

I do not agree with Bozon on the La-5 and Fw190A5 hangar queen issue, what they cannot do is to force the enemy to fight due  slower max speed - the faster enemy can choose to fight or not.

If you normally fly the A8, the A5 feels cheating good, if you don't want to molest bombers that is, and the A5 K/D confirms that.

The only way to solve the disparity is to perk the pilot.

For Bozon, this means - No Hispano's in his Mossie, and only one engine working  :D


just read the rest of your post--wow man, are you a gv'er? all the planes you have listed here are flown everyday, and by more than 1 person.
all of these planes are 2nd line favorites to most pilots. just wow, where have you been?
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