P47-M

[Wiley]

Actually take a look at last months Stats.  It's surprising.  The Dora was more of  problem than the LA-7. 

Dora had 3,163 kills with 1,938 deaths and a K/D of 1.63 ENY 10
LA7 had 2,214 kills with 1,925 deaths and a K/D of 1.15 ENY 5
P-47M had 1,930 kills with 1,164 deaths and a K/D of 1.66 ENY 5

I do not have a horse in this race as I use all of these planes at one time or the other.  Just conversing the numbers.

Can't argue with that, but like I said ENY's got more to do with overall capability including potential ground ability than pure dogfighting.

The whole ENY system's a bit subjective anyways, IMO.  I think certain planes have values that are a bit high for their capability for reasons I can only guess at.  D9, Brewster, 47D11, a few others.

Wiley.

[BBP]

I can't see perking the P-47 M. Like Puller says its just plane slow, terrible in vertical and  is brought down by eny planes in the 40's. No way - no how should it be perked. And I rarely fly it.
Now that dadgum YAK-3 needs to be perked at 25. Anyone who flies it can take down anything cept 262. Instead of picking on the p-47-m, why not get another plane or two to compete with it. I would like to see planes rotate in and out of the game. One month 3 planes come out of the game chosen at random. Then the next month 3 more but different planes come out. That way guys who hibernate in just one plane will be forced to expand his horizons!!!!
Kimo

[bozon]

Can't argue with that, but like I said ENY's got more to do with overall capability including potential ground ability than pure dogfighting.

The whole ENY system's a bit subjective anyways, IMO.  I think certain planes have values that are a bit high for their capability for reasons I can only guess at.  D9, Brewster, 47D11, a few others.

Wiley.

You forgot the La5. At ENY 30 it is by far the best fighter per ENY ratio. The La7 stole its older brother's thunder, but the La5 is still a beast - that rarely gets out of the hangar.

[Wiley]

You forgot the La5. At ENY 30 it is by far the best fighter per ENY ratio. The La7 stole its older brother's thunder, but the La5 is still a beast - that rarely gets out of the hangar.

Yeah.  That's another big one.  Like I said, there are others.  G14's ENY's a bit high for its capability IMO too.

My pet theory is they're there to give people something to farm in.

Wiley.

[puller]

You forgot the La5. At ENY 30 it is by far the best fighter per ENY ratio. The La7 stole its older brother's thunder, but the La5 is still a beast - that rarely gets out of the hangar.

I see la5s all the time

[waystin2]

I can't see perking the P-47 M. Like Puller says its just plane slow, terrible in vertical and  is brought down by eny planes in the 40's. No way - no how should it be perked. And I rarely fly it.
Now that dadgum YAK-3 needs to be perked at 25. Anyone who flies it can take down anything cept 262. Instead of picking on the p-47-m, why not get another plane or two to compete with it. I would like to see planes rotate in and out of the game. One month 3 planes come out of the game chosen at random. Then the next month 3 more but different planes come out. That way guys who hibernate in just one plane will be forced to expand his horizons!!!!
Kimo

The Yak-3 ENY 18 I believe is due for an adjustment as well in my opinion.  It had a better K/D last tour than the Spit 16 ENY 5.  Perk, nah.  Too drastic.  ENY adjust.  Yes.  10-12 like the Dora.

[Zoney]

I would like to see planes rotate in and out of the game.

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[waystin2]

Quote from: BBP on Today at 01:46:08 PM
I would like to see planes rotate in and out of the game.

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I am seconding Zoney on this.  No way.  Don't touch the toys.  I like the toybox full of choices! 

[Randy1]

Actually take a look at last months Stats.  It's surprising.  The Dora was more of  problem than the LA-7. 

Dora had 3,163 kills with 1,938 deaths and a K/D of 1.63 ENY 10
LA7 had 2,214 kills with 1,925 deaths and a K/D of 1.15 ENY 5
P-47M had 1,930 kills with 1,164 deaths and a K/D of 1.66 ENY 5

I do not have a horse in this race as I use all of these planes at one time or the other.  Just conversing the numbers.

A lot has to do with the general flying of each plane.  The 190 is a vulcher meaning low risk players.  The M a bomber killer and a flying shotgun in a furball.  The La7 is small Tempest.

Agreed on the Yak3, it should have a lower eny.  Maybe not a 5 since the small ammo load out but low enough when a moderate side imbalance occurs it gets kicked out.

[lunatic1]

It is like flying a shotgun, but would that that would mean perking the 51, Ki84, spit 16, La7 and yak3? 

From the perk GV scaling, you would have a good point to perk more planes since in  GVs, the perk level dips down lower in the vehicle pool.

nope just the P47-M

[lunatic1]

I am all for perking it for 1 point. The only reason is that it is a rare late war model that made the D's go extinct except for the role of bomb trucks.

I know a guy that says he thinks he heard someone say HT will perk it on the same game patch he is going to perk the 3-gun La7.

nope perk it as much as the Tempest.

[lunatic1]

The data is open to interpretation. 

Is Lunatic complaining that he gets too many kills when he flies the P-47M?

nope, just the opposite.

[Zoney]

nope, just the opposite.

It certainly is.

The 410 is one example of how numbers can be skewed.

The fact that a dedicated squad, while working as a team, had such a large percentage of the overall kills is certainly a factor that has skewed the numbers for the M also.

No perks, maybe an ENY adjustment, only maybe.

[Guppy35]

I am all for perking it for 1 point. The only reason is that it is a rare late war model that made the D's go extinct except for the role of bomb trucks.

I know a guy that says he thinks he heard someone say HT will perk it on the same game patch he is going to perk the 3-gun La7.

I kinda think all those 9th AF Jug drivers might take offense at being called nothing but bomb trucks

[bozon]

I kinda think all those 9th AF Jug drivers might take offense at being called nothing but bomb trucks

I was referring to the game, not history

In reality, the P47M was not a major improvement over the 56th D modela that were in service at the time. These were already over boosted to a similar level as the M and had close performance.