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Offline cav58d

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Pistol Permit / Gun Training
« on: August 07, 2017, 01:25:42 PM »
I would like to finally do some training and get my pistol permit.  I live in Connecticut.  Any general recommendations on what to look for in a trainer / training course?

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Re: Pistol Permit / Gun Training
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2017, 01:32:35 PM »
I didn't know they allow guns in Connecticut.
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Re: Pistol Permit / Gun Training
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2017, 02:32:50 PM »
Practice, practice then practice more. A minuim of 5k in practice rounds with the gun you are going to carry. Unloaded draws and dry fire. I wouldn't start live fire draw practice at all.

Pistols take years or from some a lifetime to master.

I shoot ipsc and icore and we see many newbs start out with very dangerous habits. I good nra instructor that also shoots ipsc is what I would look for.

Also training once a month with 500 rounds will keep your muscle memory tuned. Your firearm is the least expensive piece of equipment. Ammo will become a monthly expenses you should budget for.

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« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2017, 02:41:51 PM »
Join the military... I was in Navy and it was where I got my
handgun training  :salute
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Re: Pistol Permit / Gun Training
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2017, 05:27:34 PM »
find you an ADP class (American defensive pistol).  they are great.  teach you a lot of stuff, stuff that makes since but you would never think about.  not sure of the gun laws up there.  I'm in GA so its a requirement at 21 to own and carry a gun.

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« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2017, 07:52:34 PM »
What FX1 posted, find you a NRA instructor and the rest of FX1's post ....

If I remember correctly you can find hand gun instructors on the NRA website, just like they are listed in the 2 (actually 3) magazines the NRA publishes each month.... "American Rifleman" and "American Hunter" (3rd is "America's First Freedom")

If you want to join the NRA (I personally recommend it), you have your choice of which magazine you want to get monthly....
A. Rifleman - mainly for people who like to shoot, buy & collect guns, etc...
A. Hunter - mainly for people who like to hunt, etc...
America's First Freedom - this magazine is for the NRA's ILA (my parents were part of the founding members of the ILA) gets into laws, rights, gun politics, etc....

Joining the NRA will provide you all types of benefits, discounts, insurance and other things....

The American Rifleman magazine lists shooting competitions throughout the different regions as well as training classes/courses

Just something to consider

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Re: Pistol Permit / Gun Training
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2017, 07:56:48 PM »
I'm in GA so its a requirement at 21 to own and carry a gun.

A requirement by who? 
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« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2017, 09:25:08 PM »
What FX1 posted, find you a NRA instructor and the rest of FX1's post ....

I would personally look for a trainer who has more qualifications then just NRA instructor.  Becoming an NRA instructor is probably the lowest bar there is when it comes to firearms instruction. They are basically "safety" instructors and have very little to do with actually teaching situational awareness, tactics, gunfighting, etc...  which is what you want if you plan to carry everyday.

By all means an NRA instructor is a great 1st step if you're completely new to firearms, but if that's all the training you're instructor has, then they can't do much for you beyond the very basics of safe firearm handling.

I believe the Sig academy is in NH, that's the only "big name" school I know of in your area off the top of my head.  Just look for reviews of potential trainers, talk to people who took their classes.   Youtube has mountains of proof that there are lots and lots of horrible "trainers" out there.

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« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2017, 09:36:55 PM »
Here are some examples of some terrible "instructors" if you ever find yourself in a class like this RUN AWAY!

 





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« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2017, 09:54:22 PM »
Not really training, but I've found the "First Person Defender" video series from Gun Talk helpful just as far as the thinking and situational awareness part goes.  At least gets you thinking of how you would handle certain scenarios.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_2Nt8-Fa0c&list=PLscB-49EdZctpGF_ke3araysRXrhUnH86

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Re: Pistol Permit / Gun Training
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2017, 10:02:55 PM »
A requirement by who?
the requirement part was joke because most of guys in GA have/had guns since we could walk good.  and actually I just bought my son a savage single shot .22 rifle for his 5th birthday in September.  he is already shooting my s&w m&p15-22 just don't fit him real good.  so the requirement thing was kinda of a joke.  but in Kennesaw ga there is still a law that every law abiding house in the city must posses a firearm. 
and I agree with someone other that NRA instructor.  as they are a good foundation (how to hold,load and fire a firearm) there are real life training that needs to be applied.  when I took my classes at the ADPA class they taught from basics to an actual walk through firing scenario.  also like I said common sense stuff about what is good home defense ammo and how to use it.  why sometimes a 18" barrel is better and why 14" barrels are better.  also why you don't walk through the house with the flash light on and why they have strobes on the lights.  things I didn't ever think about and have been around guns near my whole life 

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« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2017, 10:07:26 PM »
Hey about that, my wife has actually agreed to taking the course with me too!  I'm surprised, but if there is going to be a fire arm in the home, it would be foolish not to have her take a course.

I have no interest in ever carrying a firearm on me outside of my home other then to the range, or remote hiking.

This would be almost exclusively for home defense.  In Connecticut you have to have a pistol permit to purchase a shotgun/rifle, so I need to take this course regardless, but for home defense would you recommend a pistol or a shotgun for a new owner that is willing to learn, and continue to learn the craft well after initial certification.

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« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2017, 11:17:25 PM »
Well I can say as a certified NRA Basic Pistol Instructor that most are goons who have some time and money. I do not fit the goon category but some of the ones I sat through the course with were.
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« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2017, 11:57:19 PM »
Hey about that, my wife has actually agreed to taking the course with me too!  I'm surprised, but if there is going to be a fire arm in the home, it would be foolish not to have her take a course.

I have no interest in ever carrying a firearm on me outside of my home other then to the range, or remote hiking.

This would be almost exclusively for home defense.  In Connecticut you have to have a pistol permit to purchase a shotgun/rifle, so I need to take this course regardless, but for home defense would you recommend a pistol or a shotgun for a new owner that is willing to learn, and continue to learn the craft well after initial certification.

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A shotgun is generally more effective at stopping bad guys IF YOU HIT THEM, but it can also be harder to wield if you have tight spaces or hallways/doors in your home, and generally has far less magazine capacity.  A handgun is small, concealable, easy to wield and can have 18 or more rounds in the magazine, but are far weaker then a shotgun or rifle.  To summarize, *Handgun =  more chances to hit bad guy, but each hit is weaker*  *Shotgun = fewer chances and possibly harder to hit bad guy, but each hit is much stronger*  Also don't believe the Hollywood BS that you don't need to aim a shotgun, the shot spread over a typical room distance in a home defense scenario would be smaller then your fist.   There is not do it all perfect firearm, everything is a trade-off.

Believe it or not AR-15 platform rifles make excellent home defense weapons also, they do more far more damage then a handgun, have double or triple the magazine capacity, very little recoil ( easy to shoot) excellent ergonomics and with a cheap red dot sight or laser it's easier to hit a target.  And with the right ammo, over-penetration is not really an issue either. Although I guess an AR-15 might not be an option in Connecticut, do they have as silly of gun laws as NJ, NY and MA?

If you do go the shotgun route, consider something like a Remington 870 or Mossberg 500.  They are cheap, reliable, and you can put a long barrel on it for hunting or skeet/trap and swap out a short barrel (18") for home defense.  Also if you or your wife is intimidated by a big 12ga shotgun, then get a 16ga or 20ga.  In close quarters even a 20ga with #7 birdshot is sufficient to make a bad guy take notice.

Bottom line is anything is better then nothing.  I carry a pistol when I'm out and about town, I always have a rifle in the truck, and I have a shotgun and plethora of other firearms at home. So just get whatever your comfortable with, then go train and practice, and practice and train.

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Re: Pistol Permit / Gun Training
« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2017, 01:23:52 AM »
Guess I should have been more detailed in my post regarding "NRA instructor"

If you look at what I posted, I was (without the quotation marks", quoting FX1 regarding working with a "GOOD" NRA instructor that also shoots ipsc....

As for my referencing the American Rifleman magazine...(or even AmericanRifleman.org)

This magazine is always listing shooting competitions, training classes/training courses for police officers, SWAT, other federal law divisions as well as training for civilians...

Probably your best bet for your location is to go to your local Sheriff's office and ask your Sheriff who might they recommend (or Police Chief)

Flippy, I figured that you was most likely joking (even if it's partially has a bit of truth to it)


You know times have really changed when like back when I was 7 years old, I could come home from school do my homework, chores, feed and water our 30+ Blueticks, Walkers, etc....then grab either my Remington 1100 20ga. (for Quail or Dove hunting) or grab my  Browning .22 longrifle XLR Lever-action to go squrril hunting....with me and 1 of the dogs walk out and across the yard, crossing the road I lived on and any one of the neighbors would see me,  asking me if I was going hunting? I would tell them yes, tell them what I was going to hunt and all that ever was said to me was good luck hope you get some and becareful......

These days, someone see a 7 yr old kid with a shotgun or rifle and they panic and hit 911 on the phone....

Yeah Vudu15, I understand that there are goons in all walks of life.... I keep forgetting how detailed and thorough one has to post or reply here on this forum....

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