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Offline Crash Orange

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Re: Glock as first?
« Reply #30 on: August 29, 2017, 05:09:50 PM »
If you have the chance, definitely try the Smith and Wesson M&P 9. I find it much more comfortable and easy to shoot accurately than the Glocks. The Glock grip just feels all wrong to me, mostly because of the angle. YMMV. Both are very well-made and reliable guns.

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Re: Glock as first?
« Reply #31 on: August 29, 2017, 06:04:09 PM »
Absolutely! My Glock experience I was talking about was in 1988,when they were really just starting to get recognition. I had never heard of them at the time,and was the only one in that gun store. I stayed with Glock references, for the sake of the OPs inquiry. I own CZ,Taurus, Beretta,Ruger, Smith and Wesson, Sig Sauer and a 1860 Remington New Army .44 cap and ball-replica of coarse :x The gun safe said 62 capacity,not much wasted space but it will hold more than 62 :x I dont believe I have ever held a gun I DIDNT fall in love with. Just for information purposes....if you like Lever Actions, DO NOT-EVER pick up a Henry(especially if you have you checkbook with you) Trust me on that one :aok Come to think about it, the only guns I ever sold was a Ruger Super Blackhawk .44mag, and A Thompson Contender 30-06. Just wasnt a JOY in pulling the trigger :old:


HAHA I own a Henry Guide Gun in 45-70 that I enjoy.  I love the way that firearm feels launching 405 grain slugs.  I have read all the comments from the purists about the tube loaded magazine but that didn't bother me.  I handled a Marlin too.. the Henry's fit and finish is far better than the Marlin
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Re: Glock as first?
« Reply #32 on: August 29, 2017, 07:43:51 PM »
If you have the chance, definitely try the Smith and Wesson M&P 9. I find it much more comfortable and easy to shoot accurately than the Glocks. The Glock grip just feels all wrong to me, mostly because of the angle. YMMV. Both are very well-made and reliable guns.

When I was looking at sub-compact 9mms I was checking out a Glock, didn't like the feel in my hand, and just looked at the dealer who said something to the effect of "feels like a 2x4, doesn't it?".  He captured it perfectly.  I went with a Ruger SR9c, which has at least so far proved to be 100% reliable, except on rare occasion with cheap ammo.  Feels very good in my hand, especially with the 17 round mag.

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Re: Glock as first?
« Reply #33 on: August 29, 2017, 07:54:42 PM »
If you have the chance, definitely try the Smith and Wesson M&P 9. I find it much more comfortable and easy to shoot accurately than the Glocks. The Glock grip just feels all wrong to me, mostly because of the angle. YMMV. Both are very well-made and reliable guns.


That is my carry gun.  It fits perfect for me when out and about.  Doesn't have the capacity of a bigger pistol like a Glock17 (or 21 in my case) but so easy to carry without a problem.


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Re: Glock as first?
« Reply #34 on: August 29, 2017, 07:57:44 PM »
I'll just reiterate what others have said.

Don't buy a gun based on what other people like or use, buy a gun that fits and works for you.  Everyone out there has different hand shapes, finger lengths, skinny or fat palms etc...  What works fantastic for your buddy you may struggle with, and the thing is you might not even know it, if that's the only thing you've tried.

You may pick up a Glock, and check out how it feels and how ergonomic the controls are for you, and say "Yea, this works."  and it would work.  But later you might pick up something else and go, "Wow, this is so much better I didn't know what I was missing."  So try as many different guns as you can before you decide, or be like some of us and just buy them all.

My personal example goes like this.  I can shoot Glocks OK, but never liked the ergonomics and grip angle.  For years I carried a XDm, and much preferred it to Glocks.  Then one day I had a chance to shoot a CZ SP-01 and fell in love with it, so now I carry a CZ, except for when I carry a 1911.  Because of course the 1911 as bestowed upon us by his great prophet John Moses Browning is the firearms gods most holy of holy creations.  The only reason I don't carry a 1911 more often is magazine capacity.
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Re: Glock as first?
« Reply #35 on: August 29, 2017, 08:01:42 PM »
I can fix that mag capacity on the .45.  I own a Paraordnance  P14 LDA.  I love that gun.  And Maverick, you young whippersnapper... My first duty gun was a S&W Model 10 .38 Special with full metal round nose ammo.  In an ammo plant!!! I thought, if I have to shoot this, I will just point at a pallet and we will all blow up!
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Re: Glock as first?
« Reply #36 on: August 30, 2017, 08:52:04 AM »
Thanks for the responses everyone, I really appreciate the input.  A couple things worth mentioning.

I live in Connecticut, so a larger or full size firearm has no ammunition benefit over a smaller for me.  Limited by law to 10 round magazines.

At first I thought I would NEVER carry, but the more I'm learning, not saying I will carry right away, but there are situations where I could see myself wanting to in the future.  Crummy thing about Connecticut is the State doesn't allow firearms in State Parks, and my town doesn't allows them in local parks.  My GSD and I spend a lot of time in those places, but oh well.

So at first I thought the Glock 19 was too smal.  Went out yesterday and spent some more time with it and put 100 rounds through it and it really grew on me.  Surprisingly I liked the way it felt over the 17.  I am going to wait to try the Gen 5 next to see if grooveless feels better. 

Glock is priced right for our first firearm.  I don't want to spend $1k right off the bat because we still need a two decent pairs of ear protection, gunsafe, cleaning supplies, ammo etc.  I actually just joined the Glock GSSF and am waiting on a membership discount coupon to arrive.  $60 for two year membership which entitles me to discount.  G17/19 Gen 4 $425 (retails $550).  So in the first year spend $60 to save $65, and if I get another nest year even more savings.
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Re: Glock as first?
« Reply #37 on: August 30, 2017, 12:41:33 PM »
Glock 20 and M&P Shield in 9 mm here. In NY so screwed by Safe Act. :mad:

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Re: Glock as first?
« Reply #38 on: August 30, 2017, 03:53:18 PM »
Speaking of older Glocks, I purchased my first one in 1994, a 1st Gen G21.  When you loaded more than 7 rounds of .45 into either of the magazines that came with it from the factory, they would barely insert, and certainly wouldn't drop.  When loaded with 10 rounds they bulged enough to make inserting them fully impossible.  So much for "perfection" was my thought back then, after buying 5 more magazines and having the same result, and having to tediously manually grind down the plastic on the magazine little by little with all 7 to finally get them to function properly.  This was early days of the internet, but the newsgroups had others with the same problem, I wouldn't call it common, but it wasn't unheard of either with the Gen 1 .45s.  I really liked it after the mag issue was taken care of, superbly reliable, I was primarily a 1911 shooter up until that point, and my first double stack tupperware pistol had probably less than 2 or 3 stoppages that I didn't set up in thousands of rounds.

Speaking of new Glocks, the Gen5 reviews are coming out for the 17 and 19 - looks like they deleted the finger grooves, moved the texturing that is normally on the front of the grip to the sides as well, added an ambi slide release (the left side of the slide release sticks out about 1mm further than the right, making left handed slide release manipulation easier), and changed the rifling in the 9mm G17 to their "target barrel" instead of the previous hexagonal or whatever they called it. 

Glad you're getting it all figured out Cav, happy to see you planning for costs beyond just the first handgun too, extra magazines, ammunition, etc, it all adds up fast.

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Para was originally a Canadian company, we wold a lot of their stuff back in the early 2000s when I ran my shop/range up here, and I used a single stack Para 1911 with the LDA trigger in order to use it in IDPA (the LDA trigger didn't qualify as a single action trigger so you could shoot production with it).
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Re: Glock as first?
« Reply #39 on: August 31, 2017, 11:40:40 AM »
I got a Para P16 (40 S&W) double stack. Fits my hand pretty well and turned out to be the most accurate (non 22) handgun I have ever had. Makes producing very tiny groups easy with the sights they installed. Very happy with it.
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Re: Glock as first?
« Reply #40 on: September 02, 2017, 05:21:14 PM »

HAHA I own a Henry Guide Gun in 45-70 that I enjoy.  I love the way that firearm feels launching 405 grain slugs.  I have read all the comments from the purists about the tube loaded magazine but that didn't bother me.  I handled a Marlin too.. the Henry's fit and finish is far better than the Marlin
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Re: Glock as first?
« Reply #41 on: September 02, 2017, 05:27:21 PM »
Speaking of older Glocks, I purchased my first one in 1994, a 1st Gen G21.  When you loaded more than 7 rounds of .45 into either of the magazines that came with it from the factory, they would barely insert, and certainly wouldn't drop.  When loaded with 10 rounds they bulged enough to make inserting them fully impossible.  So much for "perfection" was my thought back then, after buying 5 more magazines and having the same result, and having to tediously manually grind down the plastic on the magazine little by little with all 7 to finally get them to function properly.  This was early days of the internet, but the newsgroups had others with the same problem, I wouldn't call it common, but it wasn't unheard of either with the Gen 1 .45s.  I really liked it after the mag issue was taken care of, superbly reliable, I was primarily a 1911 shooter up until that point, and my first double stack tupperware pistol had probably less than 2 or 3 stoppages that I didn't set up in thousands of rounds.

Speaking of new Glocks, the Gen5 reviews are coming out for the 17 and 19 - looks like they deleted the finger grooves, moved the texturing that is normally on the front of the grip to the sides as well, added an ambi slide release (the left side of the slide release sticks out about 1mm further than the right, making left handed slide release manipulation easier), and changed the rifling in the 9mm G17 to their "target barrel" instead of the previous hexagonal or whatever they called it. 

Glad you're getting it all figured out Cav, happy to see you planning for costs beyond just the first handgun too, extra magazines, ammunition, etc, it all adds up fast.

Para was originally a Canadian company, we wold a lot of their stuff back in the early 2000s when I ran my shop/range up here, and I used a single stack Para 1911 with the LDA trigger in order to use it in IDPA (the LDA trigger didn't qualify as a single action trigger so you could shoot production with it).
Think that was a round the whole line issue with the Gen 1s. My 17 in 9mm wouldnt drop with a full mag either. Seemed like rnds 16 and 17 caused the spring to buldge the magazine walls a bit? No big deal to me, If 16 rounds wasnt enough, I shouldnt be there anyway :eek:
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Re: Glock as first?
« Reply #42 on: September 02, 2017, 08:34:13 PM »
My Granddad had a Win 94 in 32 Spcl.  Very cool gun, wish Dad had kept it.  He didn't like it because of a couple of incidents of accidental firing when going to half-cock.

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Re: Glock as first?
« Reply #43 on: September 03, 2017, 08:39:47 AM »
The S&W M&P line is a decent alternative to Glocks if you don't like the feel of Glocks.

Years ago I set out to buy a Glock 21 and came home with a .45 M&P.
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Re: Glock as first?
« Reply #44 on: September 03, 2017, 11:01:36 AM »
Blue Label/GSSF pricing gets me the Gen 5 with Ameriglow night sights for $465.  Hell of a deal IMO.

Man are the fives ugly though.  The finger grips of previous gens at least gave somewhat better lines, if the gen 5 were a shoe it would be the plain/simple all black rebook that airline pilots and cops wear! Hehe

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