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Offline cav58d

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Glock as first?
« on: August 25, 2017, 03:00:56 PM »
Beginner

Will be used by myself and my wife.

Home defense and range shooting (no intention of carrying this one)

This is both our first experience with firearms and we want something simple and fun to learn on.

A light slide is important, some of the firearms we have handled at the store/range have had too heavy of a slide for my wife to consistently rack.

9mm to start.

After having handled many 9mm's at the store, I think the Glock 17 and 34 are contenders.  The 19 just doesn't feel right in my hands, but luckily the 17/34 frame works for wife.

Only a $50 price difference between the two so that's not a factor.  I'm wondering if the increase length of the 34 will show any appreciable difference to a beginner in recoil and accuracy?  Any concerns with the cutout of the 34 slide introducing FOD?

Would you recommend one over the other and why?  How about something different?

Also, does anyone have any experience with the .22LR conversion slide?  Looks like that costs about $300, which is approx same price I could pay for a basic .22 pistol.  Is it better to get the conversion slide and train on the same firearm or are the skills the skills the skills and are they just transferable and it would be better getting a stand alone?

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Re: Glock as first?
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2017, 03:22:36 PM »
Regarding the G34, it's unlikely a beginner will get much better performance out of the longer barrel, however the longer sight radius can have a pretty surprising effect, a small increase can make a big difference for some eyeballs.  What will absolutely have an effect is the trigger on the G34 - it's typically 1 or 2lbs lighter than the connector in the stock factory G17 (Some G34 come with a 4.5, depending when it was made, sometimes a 3.5lb trigger connector weight).  The lighter trigger can make a difference for new shooters, particularly women.  IMO the slide should be fine for the average woman shooter in terms of the strength required in the grip to cycle it.  There are other pistols out there with various dual spring designs, HK comes to mind, which have very light and easy slides to manipulate, but Glock in my experience teaching women shooters are fine in this regard.  You can mess around with aftermarket guide rod springs/etc, however there can be negatives to making the slide lighter in this manner, functionality problems/etc, but I have seen this work if it becomes a major issue. It's mostly a technique issue, not a power issue, as I've seen 13 year old girls on the range who were able to properly manipulate every striker fired handgun they tried.

Since you aren't worried about CCW/carry, and this is a home/range only pistol, the G34 is IMO absolutely an option to look at for you.  Since it's very unlikely you're going to be in an environment where the cutout on the G34/etc series will get foreign debris in it, I wouldn't sweat that at all.

So far as a .22 kit, they work fine, and are a good way to train cheaply as well for new shooters, women, children, etc.  IMO care should be taken with training with .22 if you're expecting your wife to use the 9mm for home defense - what I mean is be sure she doesn't develop a flinch due to anticipating the larger recoil impulse the 9mm has due to being "spoiled" by the non existent push and low noise the .22 has. 

Millions have used the G17/34 (and 19 but you've ruled that out) to good effect for what you have in mind, range and in the home as a defensive tool.  There are other options of course, other systems such as a double action/single action, and so on, so just find the one that fits your hand(s) best, your budget, and then train/practice with it.  In addition to the .22, you may want to look at the various dry fire/laser options out there for the Glock, you can do a lot of great training on your fire control/trigger press indoors at home with one of the laser dry fire units out there.

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Re: Glock as first?
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2017, 04:51:15 PM »
As far as .22 pistols go, In my opinion. The Ruger MKIV is hands down the best I have ever owned, close second The Buckmark by Browning. Have 2 of each :rock  The Glock is also a favorite of mine. Have the 17 in 9MM(my first) with after market spring and guide for competition. 2 19s in 9mm for carry guns and a Competition Model 35 in .40. Never had a single problem. Of coarse I have to admit...Not sure if I have never met a Fire Arm I didnt fall in love with. Glad Polygamy isnt an issue in the Fire Arms World lol :x Taurus has had a few releases that I also like, never bought one though, Millennium Series. Loved the feel, just talked myself out of it. Old age maybe? Heard "Now what are you gonna use that one for? You only have 2 hands, and you already have 15 pistols!" So I got a Browning X-Bolt in .270 WSM instead. Same issue of coarse, but I was at a Gun Store and wasnt gonna leave with out SOMETHING  :devil
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Re: Glock as first?
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2017, 06:12:24 PM »
Looks like Glock just announced the release of the generation 5 G17 for August 30th.  It's actually not a bad price $560, which is approximately what a current G17 is going for.  Typically does this mean the G4 17 will drop in price?  I'll happily get the 4th gen if it drops to around $500.
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Re: Glock as first?
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2017, 08:07:00 PM »
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Re: Glock as first?
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2017, 09:03:27 PM »
I would find a range that has rentals

Go there and rent several and try them and then decide what you liked best   -grip-  recoil - feel  -accuracy

Decide if it is for home protection or just range time with the wife.

I purchased my daughter a M&P SHEILD in 9MM   but after a few months of shooting he now loves the 1911.

It is intimidating at first but plan for it being a regular thing and do not start off with a pellet gun and have to buy a cannon later.    :D

My wife lovers her revolver   :bhead   NO SLIDE  38 special is good

Me, I have several 1911s but my carry piece is tactical Tupperware  I went with the Springfield Armory XD in .40
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Re: Glock as first?
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2017, 09:24:15 PM »

That's really the best advice. Everyone has their favorites. You'll find yours.

I would find a range that has rentals

Go there and rent several and try them and then decide what you liked best   -grip-  recoil - feel  -accuracy
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Re: Glock as first?
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2017, 09:40:42 PM »
I have a Glock17 Gen 1.  I hate that gun . . . You can hold it up to the light and see through it.  It is not "pretty."  It shoots well, or at least as well as I can.  And yet, of all the guns I have ever owned, if I had to choose one to pick up and go... It would be the Glock.  It is like planes in the game, find one you like and master it.
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Re: Glock as first?
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2017, 10:01:24 PM »
How's the Beretta 9mm?  All aluminum, feels solid, doesn't rattle like the Glock did when I looked at it.  Grip felt wonderful, no slip with moisture.  Felt good, how is the overall quality?  Not used to the stacked sights, but I think I can get used to it.  Pretty well decided to add a new one, I've had used for so long I want to treat myself but nothing too crazy.  Home and Range.
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Re: Glock as first?
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2017, 11:54:49 PM »
I own a Glock 21 - which is a LARGE .45 ACP pistol and will tell you it's an impressive pistol. Having owned several 1911 framed pistols including Colt and and Kimber, this handgun outperforms them all.
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Re: Glock as first?
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2017, 12:24:07 AM »
I own a Glock 21 - which is a LARGE .45 ACP pistol and will tell you it's an impressive pistol. Having owned several 1911 framed pistols including Colt and and Kimber, this handgun outperforms them all.

Ammo owned several  myself including the Colt.  I now own a Remington 1911 Carry .45 ACP.  Shot great right our of the box.  Of the ones I've owned the Remington is the best I've owned.
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Re: Glock as first?
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2017, 12:34:12 AM »
a LARGE .45 ACP pistol


I'm a .45 fan, too.  But it isn't a good first gun, and it isn't (generally) a good gun for the fairer sex.  It almost guarantees you'll develop a flinching problem (especially with the < 5" barrel models) and you won't really want to practice as much as you should.

While I make fun of 9mms as girls' guns - well hey, one of you is a girl!  They provide adequate protection with modern ammunition, and they're much easier to shoot well.  Tell the wife it's what the Army uses.  Don't tell her why.

BTW, don't pass up on an opportunity to buy an inexpensive .22 revolver or pistol for learning how to shoot.  Best if it has an adjustable rear sight, but your budget will govern.  It is not a good home defense weapon, but it helps you develop good habits.

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Re: Glock as first?
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2017, 10:18:35 AM »
I have had a Glock 17 and the 19. I never got the 34. My 17 was gen 1 and did fine. I got the 19 as an off duty weapon and found it shot as well as the 17 so I just started carrying it for both on and off duty. The 19 is a gen 2 and I have had several thousand rounds through it. That one will never be sold along with my other duty gun (S&W66), those will be handed down to grandkids. Not because they are special in any way other than those were the ones I staked my life on for many years.

There is a 17L or long slide, that will give you a longer sight radius due to the longer slide and shouldn't hamper the handling of it. After market sights are available and a really good idea for target shooting as the standard sights are more combat oriented. Lighter trigger mods are also available and very easy to install, no gunsmith needed. Tons of utube videos out there about how to do the mod and it is NOT permanent. You can go back to stock in just a couple minutes if you like it better.
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Re: Glock as first?
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2017, 11:06:45 AM »
At least handle one walther PPK just to make sure you've checked every option.

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Re: Glock as first?
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2017, 12:08:52 PM »
Nambu, obviously. I once used one for EDC. Shot myself in the leg 8 times accidentally. Didn't hurt though.  :old:
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