Why did Dolby get a ban?

[MrRee]

Just as the title states, Why did Dolby get a ban? Did he do something in game? Was it because of his steam review?

[puller]

Very INteresting

[BowHTR]

 

[Max]

This one is doomed 

[Krusty]

Actually it's an honest question because dolby and a few of his friends have been spreading lies as to why he was banned, saying it was because they dared disagree with the wrong devs and that they ban people left and right in a totalitarian BBS system if anybody questions them, etc, etc... Utter drivel but they shout down anybody that chimes in.

I'll just let Hitech himself explain it, but the TL;DR is Dolby was stirring up **** and being a bad presence for a while and then there was a last straw and he was banned (not for the first time). It wasn't because his review, which is a rant/tyrade and an attack on the game devs which he promises to delete if he's unbanned.

Telling the other side of Dolby's story.

The last time he was banned from the BBS it was because he called me a liar and would not apologize. He had been banned previously 2 times and was on probation before the last ban. He was given more warnings then anyone else in the history of the board. Previously he was requesting to be let back in, we simply asked him if he would abide by our BBS rules, and he would not agree to our rules for about a year.

Also I never posted email between us I only posted the content of an email I had sent him.

We never set his email as spam.

I am shocked, shocked that we don't wish to do business with a customer like Dolby's after his extreeeeeemely flattering review. The real question is why would he wish to do business with us?

I'm a lot of things, but a liar is not something I get accused of.

I do my best to fix every posted bug. A simple look at the changes.txt files show how many.

The last physics upgrade was a change to the vehicle modeling a few months back.

As most people know disagreeing with us is no big deal. Being disruptive because of an opinion is what normally gets people in trouble, obviously dolby sorta proves the point why he was banned from the bbs for the exact behavior he is continuing.

So would anyone here wish to keep customers like Dolby (after his review on steam) around if they were the business owner?

HiTech

[hitech]

For repeatedly refusing too follow rules on the bbs,being banned and let back in multiple times on this bbs and still refusing to follow the rules,  followed by a deliberate attempt to damage HTC during a new launch on steam in both a review and on the steam bbs. Why would any player who wrote a "Review" like that ever wish to play AH? And why would we wish to do business with any one who goes out of there way to do a deliberate attack on HTC?

Nowhere did he write a review. He simply tried to disparage HTC.
Some how it seems to be an elusive concept to many people, that if you go into any business and intentionally be disruptive, you will be asked, then told to leave.

I have no desire to criticize Dolby I also have no desire to do business with dolby, after he repeatedly refuses to conduct him self in a sociably acceptable way in my place of business. 


HiTech

[ImADot]

Yeah, his "review" is nothing but a personal attack against HTC. He even used to delete all comments that weren't from his friends to support his claims, but now he is apparently deleting every comment. I flagged and report it to the Steam admins, but it has not yet been removed. I would hope that anyone who reads it and his own comment on it, will realize that he has some personal issues and will ignore the "review".

It's no wonder why he was banned from here.

[MrRee]

For repeatedly refusing too follow rules on the bbs,being banned and let back in multiple times on this bbs and still refusing to follow the rules,  followed by a deliberate attempt to damage HTC during a new launch on steam in both a review and on the steam bbs. Why would any player who wrote a "Review" like that ever wish to play AH? And why would we wish to do business with any one who goes out of there way to do a deliberate attack on HTC?

Nowhere did he write a review. He simply tried to disparage HTC.
Some how it seems to be an elusive concept to many people, that if you go into any business and intentionally be disruptive, you will be asked, then told to leave.

I have no desire to criticize Dolby I also have no desire to do business with dolby, after he repeatedly refuses to conduct him self in a sociably acceptable way in my place of business. 


HiTech

Fair enough, I can understand your point of view and see how this has degraded over time into what it became as of lately. I have know Dolby almost 6 years now and spent thousands of hours as his wing over that time... I can say he was one of the guys who would defend AH to others outside of the AH community but inside the circle of his peers he is honest about his stance on topics. Never in the past six years did we remotely see ourselves NOT flying AH. Dolby WANTED to make videos for you because he loved the game and expressed it through  cinematic film. Despite all of the back and forth HTC has had with Dolby he never threw his hands up and walked away permanently. He might have had words and disagreements leaving him frustrated where he would take small breaks of not playing, but in short time he was back to his subscription.

I am not here to make any deals for Dolby nor does he know I am posting about this topic.
I am not here to "come to his defense" either.



I guess in the end it all comes down to 'cause and effect'

Because "this" happens the effect is "this" sort of thing.... Because of a long dwindling relationship with Dolby you and he have a personal history of going back and forth, this time being the last straw for you.

Just because someone says it doesn't mean others will listen. Those who do listen usually are of the mindset to seek more information before drawing a conclusion on things like "Forums" and what other people say.

I own a Jewelry Store and if I went chasing down every negative thing said about my business I would have to hire someone it would require too much effort. Then on top of the fact that it looks poor on me to argue with anyone publicly in any format.   Irregardless of who is correct, unless I was prepared to show proof of evidence to support my argument, anyone on a forum can just as easily not believe me. Just as easily as they can not believe what is said about me.

I let my business do the speaking for me when confronted with Dolbys and maybe it should have come to that with HTC and Dolby.

It is sad to see this happen with anyone at anytime, not just Dolby.

At what point do two people agree to disagree and walk away from one another....

 
 

 ~<Deadstik, Dahmer, MrRee, Oyabun and now currently Kusogaki

[Wiley]

I own a Jewelry Store and if I went chasing down every negative thing said about my business I would have to hire someone it would require too much effort. Then on top of the fact that it looks poor on me to argue with anyone publicly in any format.   Irregardless of who is correct, unless I was prepared to show proof of evidence to support my argument, anyone on a forum can just as easily not believe me. Just as easily as they can not believe what is said about me.

Yeah.  But if you had a guy coming in and haranguing other customers about what a terrible jewelry store it was, then complain when they were kicked out, how many times would you let them come back and do it again before just blocking them on sight?

Wiley.

[SlipKnt]

Fair enough, I can understand your point of view and see how this has degraded over time into what it became as of lately. I have know Dolby almost 6 years now and spent thousands of hours as his wing over that time... I can say he was one of the guys who would defend AH to others outside of the AH community but inside the circle of his peers he is honest about his stance on topics. Never in the past six years did we remotely see ourselves NOT flying AH. Dolby WANTED to make videos for you because he loved the game and expressed it through  cinematic film. Despite all of the back and forth HTC has had with Dolby he never threw his hands up and walked away permanently. He might have had words and disagreements leaving him frustrated where he would take small breaks of not playing, but in short time he was back to his subscription.

I am not here to make any deals for Dolby nor does he know I am posting about this topic.
I am not here to "come to his defense" either.



I guess in the end it all comes down to 'cause and effect'

Because "this" happens the effect is "this" sort of thing.... Because of a long dwindling relationship with Dolby you and he have a personal history of going back and forth, this time being the last straw for you.

Just because someone says it doesn't mean others will listen. Those who do listen usually are of the mindset to seek more information before drawing a conclusion on things like "Forums" and what other people say.

I own a Jewelry Store and if I went chasing down every negative thing said about my business I would have to hire someone it would require too much effort. Then on top of the fact that it looks poor on me to argue with anyone publicly in any format.   Irregardless of who is correct, unless I was prepared to show proof of evidence to support my argument, anyone on a forum can just as easily not believe me. Just as easily as they can not believe what is said about me.

I let my business do the speaking for me when confronted with Dolbys and maybe it should have come to that with HTC and Dolby.

It is sad to see this happen with anyone at anytime, not just Dolby.

At what point do two people agree to disagree and walk away from one another....

 
 

 ~<Deadstik, Dahmer, MrRee, Oyabun and now currently Kusogaki

Mr. Dolby was told multiple times to contact HiTech directly and not to continue his posts in the BBS on certain issues.  He refused and in fact even argued about how he should report his grievances.  I couldn't believe it when I saw some of it unfold.  It is something every on of us does when we feel something needs their attention.  The BBS is not the place for a lot of what he was trying to communicate.  Has nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing. 

I am not arguing one way or the other.  I am just stating what the facts are that I saw unfold in the public eye because Dolby tried to keep it public.

This is only very general example and I am not saying this is what he was talking about.  But we have all seen this...

"Player X is cheating.  Explains situation in game..."
Then a few of us would recommend to send a film directly to HiTech and let it be looked into.

Had he done what was asked of him, this post wouldn't be here.  Instead he continued t badger and pick and prod.  That is a problem. 

I understand why you asked the question.  I get it.  He is a friend.  But at some point, you have to be responsible for your actions. 

IMHO 

[waystin2]

Dolby has always been critical of HTC and Aces High.  He is one of the Founders of Flame Warriors a website that has a forum section dedicated to smearing Aces high, the developers, the players, etc. His crap has been tolerated for years and he finally stepped way over the line and now is looking at what may be a lifetime ban on these boards and in game.  Hard to feel sorry as he had multiple chances to lighten up, but he has been nothing but abrasive to the company that owns this game and to players that enjoy the game.  I am find myself unable to shed any tears at his banning.

[hitech]

MrRee:

What would you do if some one came into your store and started screaming to your customers don't purchase any thing because you are a liar. When you ask him calm down he refuses. Finally I assume you would have him escorted out.

He later calls you and want to shop at your store, you ask him will he not again berate you to the customers in your store. He will not say yes.

Later he calls and says ok , i'll abide by what you ask.

He comes in all works on that trip, 1 week later he comes in and again start screaming you are not honest to all the customers in the store.

Rinse repeat.

Now you agree to do business with him via phone and mail, but he may not come back into your store. This continues but after a while he starts picketing outside your store.

You now say, ok I'm done I'm not doing business with this guy any longer.

Then some one comes into your store and ask, why won't you do business with the person picketing?

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I went chasing down every negative thing said about my business I would have to hire someone it would require too much effort.

I don't and never have. It only becomes an issue when they do it spitefully, in my place of business. As described above.

   Irregardless of who is correct, unless I was prepared to show proof of evidence to support my argument,

It is very very difficult for me to show proof because in general we try to keep any relationship with a customer private.
Hence why you very, very, rarely see us discuss anything we have done with any player. In this case you asked specifically mostly likely do to something you saw Dolby post.

For me to dispute specific accusations would typically require me to post private communications from customers. Or post specific facts that would further damage the reputation of a customer. My goal is not to disparage anyone.
It is simply to protect my business.

At what point do two people agree to disagree and walk away from one another....

I have walked away many, many times. Dolby just keeps on following. The last time I walked away, I simply banned him from this board for breaking the rules while on probation. I did not ban him from the game, only from the BBS.  So now who is having trouble walking away?
It was only after his recent behavior on steam that I decided I'm done and block Dolby from our system. After which he will still not walk away.

I don't specifically go after Dolby.
I don't give him any thought until he does something that forces me to deal with his behavior again.

Also
Why does dolby delete every post under his review?

MrRee: Take this thread as an example, you are being critical of me in your last post, but you are being critical in a respectful way. Do you find my response to be anything like what some people describe how I interact or react to criticism?
 
HiTech

[Arlo]

How will we ever survive without .... wait ... what's his name? 

[10thmd]

Bravo Hitech,  thank you very much for the explanation of the situation.

[fd ski]

One of HTC devs ( and HT's good friend) just passed and you guys are discussing why some loudmouth got banned ? How about giving it a rest for few weeks ?