Ok lads please listen up here.

[Squire]

There still seems to be some misunderstandings regarding the T+60 rule.

Aircraft that launch at T+0 have one hour and one hour only to attack their targets. It does not matter if the target has already been hit or not. That is completely irrelevant. Strike planes MUST hit their targets by T+60 and there is no exception to that at all. If they do not they are in violation of the FSO rules. 

Ok, carry on! 

[Vulcan]

What about if they're on a conveyor belt?

[Squire]

Not even if they have green eggs and ham.

[DubiousKB]

Ignorant person here....

No attacks beyond T+60?

Example: I am in a bomber and drop first half of eggs at T+58, make a wide turn beyond T+60 and I cannot drop remaining bombs?

Example2: I am in a strike plane, hit my target, re-armed at a near friendly airfield and am back en route to my target, I cannot release those bombs or fire my guns on target if T = 60+.... BUT the enemy can shoot me down?   (in this case it's literally not worth risking an airframe to MAYBE make it back to target before T=+60 eh?

  AM I picking up what you're putting down?

[puller]

Ignorant person here....

No attacks beyond T+60?

Example: I am in a bomber and drop first half of eggs at T+58, make a wide turn beyond T+60 and I cannot drop remaining bombs?

Example2: I am in a strike plane, hit my target, re-armed at a near friendly airfield and am back en route to my target, I cannot release those bombs or fire my guns on target if T = 60+.... BUT the enemy can shoot me down?   (in this case it's literally not worth risking an airframe to MAYBE make it back to target before T=+60 eh?

  AM I picking up what you're putting down?

What he is saying is that....bomb laden aircraft must hit the target by T+60....second attacks are fine but you have to be landed by T+120 or be counted as lost....

[TequilaChaser]

What he is saying is that....bomb laden aircraft must hit the target by T+60....second attacks are fine but you have to be landed by T+120 or be counted as lost....

Correct

TC

[DubiousKB]

Ok, makes sense... thx gents.

[Devil 505]

Please be sure to edit the Official FSO rules on AHevents to remove the ambiguity over this issue.

[ImADot]

Please be sure to edit the Official FSO rules on AHevents to remove the ambiguity over this issue.

I don't see the ambiguity here. It states all targets must be attacked within 60 minutes, and orders written such that all initial attack aircraft reach their targets by T+60. It's pretty much a given that after the initial attack, anything goes until T+120. If a pilot doesn't understand that, then his squad leaders have failed him.

- All targets must be attacked within 60 minutes of the start of the frame. They must be attacked with explosive ordinance (rockets and bombs) by a full squadron. Feints and diversions prior to a larger strike force do not satisfy the requirements of this rule. Simply strafing a target with fighters does not satisfy the requirements of this rule. CIC's are expected to construct their orders in such a way that all initial attack aircraft reach their targets by T+60.

[Spikes]

I don't see the ambiguity here. It states all targets must be attacked within 60 minutes, and orders written such that all initial attack aircraft reach their targets by T+60. It's pretty much a given that after the initial attack, anything goes until T+120. If a pilot doesn't understand that, then his squad leaders have failed him.

There must be some ambiguity if the post was made in the first place. 

[Devil 505]

I don't see the ambiguity here. It states all targets must be attacked within 60 minutes, and orders written such that all initial attack aircraft reach their targets by T+60. It's pretty much a given that after the initial attack, anything goes until T+120. If a pilot doesn't understand that, then his squad leaders have failed him.

I'm not going throw the squad leaders that I argued with over this point under the bus, but when they cite the existing rule and interpret it incorrectly - clearly there is a problem with how it is written.

[waystin2]

I do see the ambiguity they are talking about.  Not saying I agree with it but if we must to keep the action concentrated here is probably what they are keying in on:

- All targets must be attacked within 60 minutes of the start of the frame. They must be attacked with explosive ordinance (rockets and bombs) by a full squadron. Feints and diversions prior to a larger strike force do not satisfy the requirements of this rule. Simply strafing a target with fighters does not satisfy the requirements of this rule. CIC's are expected to construct their orders in such a way that all initial attack aircraft reach their targets by T+60. 

If an attack consists of several squadrons and one squad in full strength hits the target ahead of the T+60 mark and all others arrive at T+60 mark then the rules are fulfilled right?

[tmetal]

Waystin has highlighted the ambiguity nicely.  As it reads now a target only has to be hit before t+60 by the initial strike force that only has to consist of one squad level number of pilots; any other squads assigned to attack the same target can do so at anytime as long as that initial squad sized strike force attacks before t+60

If you want all squads assigned to attack a target to make their first attacks before t+60 then the rule should say exactly that.  I.E. "All squads assigned to attack a target must make their first attack before T+60"  There. Now just copy paste the part in quotations into the rule and you wont have to keep making these same interpretation clarification threads every couple of months.

[Becinhu]

If I remember correctly the “squadron strength” rule was added because we would have 1 or 2 jabos rush in to hit a target and draw the defenders down so the true strike could come in high after T+60. That has morphed into having one full squad hit the target with the remaining attackers hitting after T+60. It’s merely a wording loophole that is being exploited. Just need to close it with “all” attackers must put ordinance on target by T+60. That doesn’t mean all ords. So if you want to make a second pass you can.


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[waystin2]

If I remember correctly the “squadron strength” rule was added because we would have 1 or 2 jabos rush in to hit a target and draw the defenders down so the true strike could come in high after T+60. That has morphed into having one full squad hit the target with the remaining attackers hitting after T+60. It’s merely a wording loophole that is being exploited. Just need to close it with “all” attackers must put ordinance on target by T+60. That doesn’t mean all ords. So if you want to make a second pass you can.


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This.