New GV dar

[rvflyer]

Sad that it is working. destroying the game for everyone.

Yes, everyone INCLUDING HiTech is out to ruin your game.  We're all in on it.  We have meetings every Saturday at 10:30 down at the local Y where we come up with new ways to make your game life miserable.   

[rvflyer]

Not a good indicator of how long a person has been playing the game, I was playing for a few years before I ever came to the forum.

Assuming that you started playing at the same point that your BBS account was made, you never even experience pre-Storch AH with the 6K for everything icons.

Before the new GV icons rules came in, there was much more use of anti-GV sorties by planes. Now, they did not disappear immediately after the change, but the usage rate decreased over time as more and more pilots determined this to be a waste of time - especially after guys figured how easy it was to ambush a plane with a Wirbelwind. Another big change that no one has mentioned was when the Il-2 lost use of F3 mode. After this they became much more rare to see.

Another thing you never experienced was pre-commander view GV'ing.

You had to drive from the driver's seat, shoot from the gunner's seat, and could only look around from the top MG. You had to be good at moving around the tank to be successful at anything other than pure spawn camping.

Point is, you have no idea how much harder it used to be or how every change that affected GV's over the last 7 years until the GV dar has only made GVing easier.

Now that HTC has made an attempt to correct the imbalance in GV interactions with aircraft, you all have come here crying like Chicken Little and claiming that there is some bias against GV'ing. The track record says otherwise.

[+Kilroy+]

Yes, everyone INCLUDING HiTech is out to ruin your game.  We're all in on it.  We have meetings every Saturday at 10:30 down at the local Y where we come up with new ways to make your game life miserable.   

Read the posts you troll. 45 minuted no kills, green end sortie, landed. 31 minutes, 16 kills, no green end tracked. Say something, anything meaningful beyond a shiz ton of regurgitated negativity.

Assuming that you started playing at the same point that your BBS account was made, you never even experience pre-Storch AH with the 6K for everything icons.

Guess your cousin/momma missed the lesson about assuming along with the one about comparing people to pots and pans. Yes dumb cluck this is a new account. When I started there were two 200 person arena's, besides the DA and you had to wait to get in. Take your history lesson and stuff it, get your donut back in the cockpit and stop talking out of it. You'd be amazed how much the game has changed since you actually participated.

"Shortly before dawn on 18 July [1944, since you hadn't heard of it before], the Highland infantry in the south of the Orne bridgehead, quietly retired 0.5 mi (0.80 km) from the front line.[110] At 05:45, 1,056 Handley Page Halifax and Avro Lancaster heavy bombers flying at 3,000 ft (910 m) dropped 4,800 long tons (4,900 t) of high explosive bombs around Colombelles, the steelworks, on the positions of the 21st Panzer Division and on the village of Cagny, reducing half of it to rubble."  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Goodwood#Operation_Atlantic

- oldman

Gosh, I know, quoting an account of a bomber sortie sure sounds like bombers are actually participating in war, don't it duckie. Let's see, from 3k, bombers bombed a steelworks, which is a factory, which is what bombers did. Bomb factories. Maybe because the term "Panzer Division" is used, we are able to pretend that is an active battlefield and not an encircled town called "Cagny." That is what bombers did, destroyed entrenched positions. That is not a "battlefield," except in the loosest sense. Still not Lancs at 800 feet searching for a single tank. Get real. You seek to contradict me with dicts that aren't even contra. What is your point? The situation of the in game sortie depicted in the video is not at all like a WWII battle and certainly not balanced gaming and your quoted passage did nothing to address either point.

The game is either a war simulator, or it's a dogfight simulator with tanks to bomb. I used to populate tanks because it was fun and a very effective way to affect the war. The gv dar changed that and removed the effectiveness of tanks. It did not improve combat, it encouraged people to try to kill something without risk of being killed, resulting in 10 people searching one tank. Ain't gonna populate a tank to bomb and I don't need to argue about it. I went out there, I did the sorties, I recorded the films and I composed them to Youtube. It's a LOT of freaking time outside the simulator and I've done my part. Those of you that type instead of fly can piss off.

Yup. Joys of open world gaming.

Wiley.

Oh I've done a pizz ton of open world gaming, I create content for flight simulators. This is the only one I've ever seen where the paying customers are the test subjects, not an enviable business model.

[Devil 505]

Not a good indicator of how long a person has been playing the game, I was playing for a few years before I ever came to the forum.

I get that. That's why I prefaced it that way, because I don't know. Also this way I can approach his opinions as being just uninformed instead of blatantly ignorant.

[Devil 505]

Guess your cousin/momma missed the lesson about assuming along with the one about comparing people to pots and pans. Yes dumb cluck this is a new account. When I started there were two 200 person arena's, besides the DA and you had to wait to get in. Take your history lesson and stuff it, get your donut back in the cockpit and stop talking out of it. You'd be amazed how much the game has changed since you actually participated.

Ha! What was your name before Killroy then, tough guy?

Why don't you actually try doing something positive for this game of ours instead of acting like a dirtbag all the time?

[JimmyD3]

Assuming that you started playing at the same point that your BBS account was made, you never even experience pre-Storch AH with the 6K for everything icons.

Before the new GV icons rules came in, there was much more use of anti-GV sorties by planes. Now, they did not disappear immediately after the change, but the usage rate decreased over time as more and more pilots determined this to be a waste of time - especially after guys figured how easy it was to ambush a plane with a Wirbelwind. Another big change that no one has mentioned was when the Il-2 lost use of F3 mode. After this they became much more rare to see.

Another thing you never experienced was pre-commander view GV'ing.

You had to drive from the driver's seat, shoot from the gunner's seat, and could only look around from the top MG. You had to be good at moving around the tank to be successful at anything other than pure spawn camping.

Point is, you have no idea how much harder it used to be or how every change that affected GV's over the last 7 years until the GV dar has only made GVing easier.

Now that HTC has made an attempt to correct the imbalance in GV interactions with aircraft, you all have come here crying like Chicken Little and claiming that there is some bias against GV'ing. The track record says otherwise.

What ever, keep up your whining, your not doing your side any good with your childish replies. I do not and will not play the way you want me to.

[JOACH1M]

See Rule #4

[Copprhed]

See Rule #4

[waystin2]

See Rule #4

[Oldman731]

Gosh, I know, quoting an account of a bomber sortie sure sounds like bombers are actually participating in war, don't it duckie. Let's see, from 3k, bombers bombed a steelworks, which is a factory, which is what bombers did. Bomb factories. Maybe because the term "Panzer Division" is used, we are able to pretend that is an active battlefield and not an encircled town called "Cagny." That is what bombers did, destroyed entrenched positions. That is not a "battlefield," except in the loosest sense. Still not Lancs at 800 feet searching for a single tank. Get real. You seek to contradict me with dicts that aren't even contra. What is your point? The situation of the in game sortie depicted in the video is not at all like a WWII battle and certainly not balanced gaming and your quoted passage did nothing to address either point.

Sorry you aren't feeling well.  Here's another quote, this time from Johnnie Johnson's book, "Wing Leader."  The event occurs right after the mass raid described above.

"Instead of turning to the north to set course for England after dropping its load, one of the Lancasters came down in a fairly steep dive towards the strongly defended enemy-held territory south of the city. I watched this manoeuvre in some amazement as the Lancaster would soon find itself a solitary target for the German Flak.  Perhaps the aircraft had had its controls shot away or damaged and could only fly in this fashion.  But wait, the bomber has now levelled out and is still flying due south only a few feet above the main Caen-Falaise road. Amazed, I watch its antics.  What the hell is the pilot up to?  I soon discover the object of the low-level flight.  This road, which is one of the enemy's main supply routes, is packed here and there with stationary tanks, armoured cars and vehicles.

As it sweeps down the road, both front and rear turrets of the bomber are in action and the gunners are firing long bursts into the enemy vehicles.  There is a considerable amount of light flak, but the pilot obviously scorns this small stuff, since he is accustomed to a nightly barrage of heavy flak over the industrial cities of Germany.  For him this affair is a bit of a lark, and like a schoolboy away from the vigilance of his prefect he is making the most of his freedom.

Now the Lancaster carries out a slow wide turn to re-trace its flight northwards to Caen.  Majestically it ploughs along over the straight road with rear and front guns blazing away.  Enemy drivers and crews abandon their vehicles as the Lancaster pounds along and dive for the shelter of the hedgerows.  But what is this?  Another Lancaster has appeared on the scene and is carrying out similar tactics.  The first Lancaster is flying north.  The second is steaming south.  Both are over the centre of the highway and both avoid each other with a careful little swerve.

Speechless, I watch the role of fighter-bomber being carried out, and most effectively, by the four-engined heavies.  But now it is all over.  The original glamour boy has climbed away to the north for his homeward journey and the second is pulling up from his strafing run."

If you don't have the book, the quote also appears in AH's archives (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?topic=30570.0) and at least one other place on the web (http://www.ww2f.com/threads/lancaster-fighter-bomber-at-caen.3938/).

My point?  First, you said Lancs never attacked tanks, so I thought you'd be interested to see that they did.  In a broader sense, people can do many things in AH that they ordinarily didn't do historically, but of which their weapons were capable.  Dogfighting A-20s and Mosquitos, carrier fleets 600 yards offshore, one-man tanks come to mind immediately.  That you were being chased by a Lanc is unusual, but certainly not impossible.

- oldman

[+Kilroy+]

My point?  First, you said Lancs never attacked tanks, so I thought you'd be interested to see that they did.

I did not say Lancs never attacked tanks, you misquote me.

It was ineffectual, does not promote combat, promotes bomb****eness..tell us, in what WWII battle did Lancasters fly in formations of 3, saturating saturating active battlefields or hidden tanks?

And I included a screen capture of my immediate vicinity saturated with bomb craters. Lancs NEVER lifted from an airfield, climbed to 1000', flew 4 miles, dropped their load on enemy positions and landed again. The practice is an absurd concatenation of game abilities that is IN NO WAY similar to WWII and to persist along these lines is equally absurd as it does nothing to inform knowledgeably on behalf, or against gv dar and - possibly - serves to make the poster "right." On that basis, point taken, Lancs flew in WW 2.

[hitech]

I did not say Lancs never attacked tanks, you misquote me.

And I included a screen capture of my immediate vicinity saturated with bomb craters. Lancs NEVER lifted from an airfield, climbed to 1000', flew 4 miles, dropped their load on enemy positions and landed again. The practice is an absurd concatenation of game abilities that is IN NO WAY similar to WWII and to persist along these lines is equally absurd as it does nothing to inform knowledgeably on behalf, or against gv dar and - possibly - serves to make the poster "right." On that basis, point taken, Lancs flew in WW 2.

Ok now it has gotten to the point of ridiculous.

Just so I understand this correctly , you are complaining about bombers taking off and bombing something 4 miles away. While having absolutely no issue with pressing a button and being moved instantly to a few miles away from a town.

This is a case of selective realism to the extreme.

Especially since the case you are complaining about IS possible in the real world although never attempted because the case never arouse , and the case you ARE Ok with is not, because teleportation was never invented.

I had been considering turning on the range portion of the vehicle sector indicator. I.E. the sector would only turn red if you were withing 9 miles of the sector, but do to your posts I'm not sure I that the change is needed. Because in an attempt to bolster your argument you feel you feel the need to make posts like this.


HiTech

[8thJinx]

I had been considering turning on the range portion of the vehicle sector indicator. I.E. the sector would only turn red if you were withing 9 miles of the sector, but do to your posts I'm not sure I that the change is needed. Because in an attempt to bolster your argument you feel you feel the need to make posts like this.
HiTech

Thaaaaaankkss  Kilroyyyy     

[redcatcherb412]

Looks just like B-52's bombing the jungle in Vietnam.
Perfectly viable to carpet bomb an area when a hidden enemy is entrenched there.

Unit got staged a distance from a planned target area at Cu Chi in '68. Scattered clouds and never saw the planes, but the drop was an awesome drawn out rumble with ground shudders. When we were sent to the target area to assess tunnel damage, body count or survivors, the area looked like a moonscape. Some of the craters were yuuuuge, especially among tunnel complexes..  Awesome power in that bombers payload.  Great video. 

In the game under a formation of Lancs with salvo 10 in a town could approximate that on a smaller scale.

[popeye]

the sector would only turn red if you were withing 9 miles of the sector

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