Time to suggest setups for February 2018 Scenario

[Brooke]

Howdy, all.

Some folks have asked to submit ideas for setups for the February, 2018 Scenario.

So, we are opening it up to suggestions.

If you have a suggested setup, please post a summary as:
Title
1-3 sentence description
List of types of action it will have
Estimated plane set

For examples, see the entries already given as suggestions below.

What we will do is gather suggestions for a week or more, put them into a list, then vote on it to see what are the top 3 choices.  Once we have the top 3 choices, we will vote on which is the top choice.

Then the scenario team will put together a starter design document, and we will start the design discussion, where players can give suggestions for adjustments.

If you do submit a setup idea and it wins, we will consult with you on the design details, and you are welcome to participate in the design discussion.  However, to be clear on the process, the scenario team still must be the final arbiters of design decisions and alterations and makes no promise regarding the final form of the design out of the design process.

[Brooke]

If you have opinions on the suggested setups people give, please feel free to make them -- if you can be reasonably civil about it.

[Brooke]

Suggestions so far:

Nuisance Raids 1942
RAF and Luftwaffe trading blows following Battle of Britain.
Fighter combat, attack, tactical bombing.
Estimated planes sets are:
Luftwaffe: Bf109F-4, Bf109G-2, Fw190A-5, Bf110C4-B, JU88A-4
RAF: Spitfire V, Spitfire IX, Hurricane IIb, Typhoon Ib, Boston III


Pantelleria 1943
Battle for Pantelleria.
Fighter combat, tactical bombing, antishipping.
Estimated plane sets are:
Luftwaffe: C202, C205, BF109G-2, BF109G-6, FW190A-5, JU88A-4
USAAF: Spitfire V, Spitfire IX, P-40F, P-38G, B-25C, B-26B

Alpine Oil Struggle
A progressive battle over Northern Italy and Austria focusing on axis oil production in 1942-1943.
Fighter combat, bombing, anti-shipping.
Estimated plane sets:
Frame 1: Boston III/A-20G (jabo), Spit5/Seafire, C202, 109f4, 110c4 (jabo)
Frame 2: Boston III/A-20G/B-25C, Lancaster, Spit5/Spit9, P-38G C202, 109f4/109g2 110c4/Ju88
Frame 3: A-20G/B-25C, B-24, Spit5/Spit9, P-38G/P-38J C202/C205, 109F4/109G2, Ju-88/Fw190A4
Frame 4: B-25C/B-26, B-24, Spit9/Spit8, P-38J, C205, 109G2/Fw190A4, Ju88/110G (jabo)/Fw190F8 (jabo)

[Guppy35]

Do something totally out of the ordinary.  Build it around the Soviet attacks on Japan in August 45.  Latewar Japanese vs latewar Soviet.  I know in reality there was little if any air combat, but it would be a different airwar with Yaks, Sturmi's, Tu's and LAs vs Ki 84s, N1Ks, the newly done Ki-67 and all that. 

That or do a fictional border clash early with I-16s and Oscars just for giggles

[Chris79]

The Vistula-Oder offensive. It's been a good 18 months since a East front scenario, and the plane set seems evenly matched matched.
190D and F8's
Bf109k and g-14

Yak 9u and 3
La7
Tu2

[BFOOT1]

Suggestions so far:

Nuisance Raids 1942
RAF and Luftwaffe trading blows following Battle of Britain.
Fighter combat, attack, tactical bombing.
Estimated planes sets are:
Luftwaffe: Bf109F-4, Bf109G-2, Fw190A-5, Bf110C4-B, JU88A-4
RAF: Spitfire V, Spitfire IX, Hurricane IIb, Typhoon Ib, Boston III


Pantelleria 1943
Battle for Pantelleria.
Fighter combat, tactical bombing, antishipping.
Estimated plane sets are:
Luftwaffe: C202, C205, BF109G-2, BF109G-6, FW190A-5, JU88A-4
USAAF: Spitfire V, Spitfire IX, P-40F, P-38G, B-25C, B-26B

Alpine Oil Struggle
A progressive battle over Northern Italy and Austria focusing on axis oil production in 1942-1943.
Fighter combat, bombing, anti-shipping.
Estimated plane sets:
Frame 1: Boston III/A-20G (jabo), Spit5/Seafire, C202, 109f4, 110c4 (jabo)
Frame 2: Boston III/A-20G/B-25C, Lancaster, Spit5/Spit9, P-38G C202, 109f4/109g2 110c4/Ju88
Frame 3: A-20G/B-25C, B-24, Spit5/Spit9, P-38G/P-38J C202/C205, 109F4/109G2, Ju-88/Fw190A4
Frame 4: B-25C/B-26, B-24, Spit9/Spit8, P-38J, C205, 109G2/Fw190A4, Ju88/110G (jabo)/Fw190F8 (jabo)

I'd say Nuisance Raids or Alpine Oil Struggle, but if it were me, I'd push this back to March or April just simply so we can have time to organize dedicated CO's, build the scenario, and get actual numbers for a scenario instead of what we've been having. Just my two cents 

[Brooke]

Excellent suggestions so far. 

[Brooke]

Do something totally out of the ordinary.  Build it around the Soviet attacks on Japan in August 45.  Latewar Japanese vs latewar Soviet.  I know in reality there was little if any air combat, but it would be a different airwar with Yaks, Sturmi's, Tu's and LAs vs Ki 84s, N1Ks, the newly done Ki-67 and all that. 

I like what-if's like that.

A lot of folks don't like what-if's, but some of them could be really cool.  Soviet vs. Japan like you say, or Soviet vs. US ("Patton's Gambit", where the US cuts north from Italy and walls the Soviets off, and you get conflict of P-51D's, P-47M's, maybe F4U-4's, B-26's vs. La-7's, Yak-3's, Tu-2's).  I'd love to fly in stuff like that some day.

[Krusty]

If I might counter that 1945 Japan-vs-Soviet idea, the problem is that the Japanese planeset (while improving) still isn't quite fleshed out. We still would have Ki-84s as the primary plane for the Japanese.

I think it's interesting, but maybe not ready for "Scenario" interesting. Maybe more "FSO" interesting. It would be basically 4 frames of Ki-84s against Yak-3s and La-7s, with a smattering of Tu-4s and Ki-67s. I'm just not seeing that at the moment.

[oboe]

Lots of good suggestions here.  Anything that hasn't been done in a while is my preference.   Will the next scenario be a 12 hour format, or 4 frames?   

I'd be up for something early War in the CBI.   It's been a while since a CBI-based scenario; Road to Rangoon was last run back in May 2011.  Since then I believe we've gotten the Ki-43, however I don't see a Rangoon terrain for download anymore.   

Might be fun to use the Java42 or Malaysia terrains, maybe we could include the battleship group as the HMS Prince of Wales and Repulse and have the Japanese try to sink her as part of a Fall of Singapore campaign?

RAF, RAAF, RNZAF Hurricanes and Brewsters vs Ki-43s, A6M2s and G4M Bettys.    Japanese bombing raids on cities, airfields, ports.   Allied air defence, and maybe fighter raids against Japanese airfields.   The new Pearl terrain has parked B-17s so maybe a terrain builder could modify an existing scenario terrain to provide some ground targets at airfields - G4Ms, the Japanese-skinned C-47, etc.

I'd like to see the AVG's P-40Cs involved too but I don't see a terrain for Burma...



Is the B239s performance a problem for early War CBI scenarios?  I understand the Commonwealth forces flew the heavier and underpowered B339 export version of the Brewster.


   

[Nefarious]

Is the B239s performance a problem for early War CBI scenarios?  I understand the Commonwealth forces flew the heavier and underpowered B339 export version of the Brewster.

http://www.ahevents.net/index.php/fso-setups/37-pacific-theatre/1225-java-1942


I just designed and ran a Java FSO and from what I researched the RAF and other countries would replace or remove some of the 50 caliber weapons for 30 cal. They also removed any extra weight they could and flrw with reduced fuel. They wanted to reduce the weight as much as possible.

Even then, the Japanese were still envious of the RAF Hurricanes and Brews for their heavier armament compared to the Ki43.

[swareiam]

The Battle of France



Blitzkrieg!

War has come to France and the low countries. Fast and furious action from the Luftwaffe and Wehrmacht now advance fast force movements which are pushing the French Army and British Expeditionary Force (BEF) back to Dunkirk. Can the RAF and what remains of the French Air Forces hold out until the Allied ground forces can be rescued?

Planeset

Luftwaffe: Bf109E, Bf110C-4b, HE111H, JU87D

RAF and FAF: Spitfire I, Hurricane I, Hawk 75 (P-40C), Dewoitine D.520 (Yak-7B)
 

[Krusty]

The planes from the Battle of France were significantly different in performance and numbers than those available in the Battle of Britain. Any kind of Battle of France setup would just be the BOB with a different map. And: we just did the BOB recently. Therefore IMO it's not the right time for that one.


EDIT: Also, the Hawk 75A-1 was nothing like the P-40C. Its top speed was around 305mph at 4000m. Our P-40C does just shy of 350mph at 16k. The Hawk75A-1 had a wing loading depending on the tests you look at that put it at or UNDER the A6M2 wing loading. The I-16 without the 20mm option and with 1x 12.7mm gun would be much closer in firepower and capability to the Hawk75.

[swareiam]

The planes from the Battle of France were significantly different in performance and numbers than those available in the Battle of Britain. Any kind of Battle of France setup would just be the BOB with a different map. And: we just did the BOB recently. Therefore IMO it's not the right time for that one.


EDIT: Also, the Hawk 75A-1 was nothing like the P-40C. Its top speed was around 305mph at 4000m. Our P-40C does just shy of 350mph at 16k. The Hawk75A-1 had a wing loading depending on the tests you look at that put it at or UNDER the A6M2 wing loading. The I-16 without the 20mm option and with 1x 12.7mm gun would be much closer in firepower and capability to the Hawk75.

Krusty,

Old habits die hard don't they. We just went through a scenario and upgraded the planes a little so that we could get guys to register. So why would we downgrade the aircraft for this event? 

We have to begin to change our way of thinking just a bit, yeah.

Saying no is an okay answer if you don't want to fly this event for a particular reason, but we're not going to downgrade the aircraft and think that guys what to spend four weekend getting severely pummeled, right? 

[Krupinski]

There's probably not a map for it, and I've never seen a scenario like this in AH before, but... Battle of Crimea/Kuban region 1943.

This is one of the lesser known battles of WW2, while not any less important. Many aces fought in this region including Erich Hartmann, as well as Alexander Pokryshkin on the Russian side.

La5FN
Yak-7b
Yak-9T
P-39
A-20
IL-2
Spitfire V

vs

109G2
109G6
190A5
110G2
He111/Ju88
Ju87

http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/spit/

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