109 roll rate has been now proven or shown

[highflyer]

Has anyone seen possi's post In the O'club?

Its very interesting. I see much argument about 109 roll rates here.

I wasnt sure as to who to side with on this issue, but after seeing the video, the 109 in AH does not roll like it shows in the clip.

I have recently been trying the IL2 beta (russian lol) and it appears to have more correct charcteristics (sp?)

Any one see the same?

   

[sling322]

There was a reason that post was in the O'club.....you better duck!

[Westy MOL]

Ok.

 How much fuel was the 109 carrying? What was the speed was it rolling at? What altitude, on the deck of course. Certainly not at 15k or 25k like it would have been in the war eh? Was it carrying wartome guns, ammo load and REAL wartime equipment.

 So, after watching that movie, please tell us idiots just what is the roll rate of the 109 was that movie?  In 'Degrees per second' please.

  Westy

[highflyer]

lol <--Ducking  


Seriously though, If the video shows how the reported russian data aka, IL2 109 handles, and it is by far a closer match to than what is seen here in AH, than this entire debate about Roll rates should be resolved.

Yes?

I think that issues that can be proven by simply looking for ourselves, instead of arguing about what such and such a number shows on such and such a graph.

Anyone agree that a picture is worth a 1000 words?

hehe how about hundreds of pictures played back at 30fps  

anyway just my thoughts.  

[Urchin]

I watched the video, I honestly was not to impressed with it.  The only manuever you can really see is the barrel roll there at the beginning, and I can make the 109 in Aces High do that no problem.  You guys saying the 109 should roll like a 190 or something?

[Westy MOL]

"Anyone agree that a picture is worth a 1000 words?"

 In most cases definately. However I've yet seen one by you or Possi to back up the specs  or performance you seem to think that film shows.

 And this has nothing to do with AH or IL2 either really. It's all to do with eronious presumptions of a few who have figured out that they know what the capabilities of an unarmed, low fuel load, rebuilt 55 year old plane is after watching a 15 second mpeg.

  Westy

[ 09-10-2001: Message edited by: Westy MOL ]

[Dead Man Flying]

The only thing that's been proven beyond a reasonable doubt here is that the IL-2 cheerleaders have absolutely no idea of the capabilities of planes in AH beyond some rudimentary conception that they "aren't right."  The film posted in the O'Club demonstrates nothing that I am incapable of doing with AH's Bf109G-2.

-- Todd/DMF

[Zigrat]

uhmmm westy carrying wartime equipment will have very little bearing on roll performance. what wartime equipment would a non gondola equipped 109 be carrying in the wings.

nevertheless, the roll rate of that 109 can be replicated at modeerate speeds in ah. noone argues that the 109 shouldnt have good control at moderate speeds. its the 350+ stuff that theres some contention about.

[funkedup]

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[highflyer]

All I am saying is that the 109 in IL2 from what I have seen rolls as quick as the 109 in the video compared to the one in AH.

Perhaps this is all perspective, But I cannot argue that what I see the 109 doing in this video, pretty much matches IL2's 109 characteristics.

The 109 in AH just seems sluggish or something in effect. Similar to WB. Maybe it is all perspective.
 
 

[FDisk]

Uh, I've never gotten a chance to fly a 109 before ... I like to know how you can compair.. I've seen racing on tv.. that doesn't mean I can compair it to GT3. It's just too different...

sorry

Roo2104

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by highflyer:
The 109 in AH just seems sluggish or something in effect. Similar to WB. Maybe it is all perspective.

Download the film I posted in the O'Club thread about this.  Watch it in AH.  The timing of the rolls I make in the AH film closely match the timing of the rolls in the real film.

All this arguing about NACA vs. this or that misses the very simple point that, in fact, AH does accurately model the 109G-2's ability to perform this kind of manuever.  I therefore fail to see what all this fuss is about.

-- Todd/DMF

[AKDejaVu]

Seriously though, If the video shows how the reported russian data aka, IL2 109 handles, and it is by far a closer match to than what is seen here in AH, than this entire debate about Roll rates should be resolved.

The video shows a 109 at an airshow being filmed by a Brit.

The fact that the video is accelerated and finishes about 2/3 the way through the movie speaks volumes.

 

Anyone agree that a picture is worth a 1000 words?

I agree that this film clip is all most "Il-2's 109 FM is accurate" supporters have to hold on too.  And to call it weak is an understatement.

AKDejaVu

[Staga]

Originally posted by AKDejaVu:

The fact that the video is accelerated and finishes about 2/3 the way through the movie speaks volumes.
AKDejaVu

So AkDjV you say that vid-clip is "Doctored" to give 109 a faster rollrate than it really had in that airshow?

[AKSWulfe]

Originally posted by Staga:
So AkDjV you say that vid-clip is "Doctored" to give 109 a faster rollrate than it really had in that airshow?

He's implying that the film isn't running at the normal rate.

Anything else, you all implied he said.
-SW