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Offline Chris79

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Ju-87G
« on: January 30, 2018, 10:04:17 AM »
Although this is some what anecdotal, I have been reading a book titled "The Last 100 Days" and an account of Hans Ulrich Rudel was presented in one of the chapters. During a sortie on Feb 8th 1945, the day in which he lost his foot, he killed 9 Soviet tanks including an IS3. It seems to me through the accounts of Oberst Rudel, that the effectiveness of the Bordkanone 37mm was greater in RL then in AH. On the first pass Rudel quote on quote smoldered the IS3, and the second pass in which the starboard 37mm jammed, one 37mm hit exploded it. A subsequent flack hit after pulling up from the attack severed his foot.


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Re: Ju-87G
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2018, 10:44:51 AM »
Snailman has 14 just this tour alone. Just because you have a hard time getting kills in it doesnt mean it is modeled wrong.

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Re: Ju-87G
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2018, 11:12:48 AM »
Don't have issues killing panzers, and T34s with it, but the IS series of tanks having comparable armor to a Tiger2. I can't imagine a JU87g killing a T2


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Re: Ju-87G
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2018, 11:15:44 AM »
During a sortie on Feb 8th 1945, the day in which he lost his foot, he killed 9 Soviet tanks including an IS3.


The IS3 had not even seen the front yet by that date...
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Re: Ju-87G
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2018, 11:36:00 AM »

The IS3 had not even seen the front yet by that date...

Why...that must be because Rudel killed them all before they got there!

Just ask him!

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Re: Ju-87G
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2018, 11:43:25 AM »
Why...that must be because Rudel killed them all before they got there!

Just ask him!

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Rudel was not a very reliable or accurate source for historical information, especially as a Stuka tank hunter. He was known to over blow his actual kills and greatly exaggerate his influence as a tank hunter.  It happened a lot on both sides: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_and_overclaiming_of_aerial_victories_during_World_War_II.

The Stuka G is accurately modelled. It's hard to get a kill with a 37mm shell - especially against late war German tanks.
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Re: Ju-87G
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2018, 11:50:35 AM »
Hence I wrote "anecdotal". I was mistaken, it was an IS2. I trust the word of pilots as much as fisherman and a frat boys notch tally. It was an interesting excerpt from book I am reading for other reasons.


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Re: Ju-87G
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2018, 12:17:58 PM »

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Re: Ju-87G
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2018, 12:21:56 PM »
Hence I wrote "anecdotal". I was mistaken, it was an IS2.


As far as I know, the IS-2 had a top armor thickness of 30mm. That's slightly more than a Tiger I and less than a Tiger II.
Killing a Tiger I (in game) with the Ju-87G is definitely doable. Haven't tried killing a TII yet, because they are so incredibly rare in offensive operations.


EDIT:

Just tried it offline. Had the T2 turret smoking with my first shot, by the fifth shot the tank exploded.
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Re: Ju-87G
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2018, 12:38:02 PM »
What convergence do you use?


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Re: Ju-87G
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2018, 12:45:39 PM »
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This is the hit that smoke the turret:



I fired at D240, 60° dive, 260 mph


The 37mm on the Ju-87G has a great armor penetration, but is extremely depending on getting a good angle. Penetration will fall off very quickly if you don't hit the armor as perpendicular as possible. And that's a problem with top down attacks, as from pilots view even 60° looks almost like diving straight down.
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Re: Ju-87G
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2018, 08:27:18 PM »
87G is lots of fun. Except for always hitting trees trying to pull out of a steep dive!

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Re: Ju-87G
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2018, 11:43:52 PM »
87G is lots of fun. Except for always hitting trees trying to pull out of a steep dive!




He should know atlau has the most kills in it this tour.
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Re: Ju-87G
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2018, 03:30:08 AM »
:rofl

Rudel was not a very reliable or accurate source for historical information, especially as a Stuka tank hunter. He was known to over blow his actual kills and greatly exaggerate his influence as a tank hunter.  It happened a lot on both sides: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_and_overclaiming_of_aerial_victories_during_World_War_II.

The Stuka G is accurately modelled. It's hard to get a kill with a 37mm shell - especially against late war German tanks.

Posting a link to the concept of over claiming doesn't back up your statement.

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Re: Ju-87G
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2018, 04:34:44 AM »
Over-claiming air-to-ground is not new, as late investigation has proved.

The penetration is a ticket for the tank to a repair-shop, a kill renders the tank to be scrapped.

Regardless how many tanks Rudel killed, he sent a big bunch to the scrapyard, and another bunch to the repair-shop.
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