instead of two weeks free

[Traveler]

No, we need the players IN the MA. I think HTC should use the players they have to ease the learning curve for the new players. Those retirees, medical retirees, and so on that spend many, many hours in the game as it is. Setup a schedule, give them a couple hours a day where they do nothing but help new players. Pay their subscriptions for the effort.

With these "veteran" players to lead the new players by the hand along with a much easier "default" setup for the mouse/controller/stick setup these new players will get through that huge learning curve enough so that they can decide if they wish to subscribe.

Who's to say that any of these veteran players are good trainers?  How are you going to ensure 24 hour a day, 7 day a week coverage.  HTC has a responsibility to the player base, both new and old player customer alike to provide a consistent quality level of training.  Every other game on the net provides a well thought out training plan in the form of a bootcamp and moves the player along from training station to training station to ensure a basic understanding of game play.  Aces High is the only game I can think of that doesn't offer and control the training of it's new players.  Based on past history with HTC, I don't see it ever changing.  Aces High has had volunteer trainer's for the last 20 years.  HTC can't afford to provide free game time for training services.  It would be a major HR liability.  Any form of compensation could be used against HTC in civil cases for employee benefits. 

[The Fugitive]

I dont think HTC could be held libel for "bad" training.

If we had a few players that spend 100s of hours in the game as it is to sine on as "trainers" to teach the basics and get these new players into the air is a plus. I know I would spend the time to aid a few players for a couple of hours a day to get them going. Im sure there are a number of players that would be willing to try it out.

[ToeTag]

Agreed...small investment...bigger returns.

[Traveler]

I dont think HTC could be held libel for "bad" training.

If we had a few players that spend 100s of hours in the game as it is to sine on as "trainers" to teach the basics and get these new players into the air is a plus. I know I would spend the time to aid a few players for a couple of hours a day to get them going. Im sure there are a number of players that would be willing to try it out.

Fugitive, What I’m talking about is your statement:

Whats needed is a way to welcome new players. Ease the learning curve either with tech (walk thru missions and tutorials), or a hands on 24/7 trainer/help crew (subsidized free monthly subs, or at least discounts to these helpers).

Your offer for yourself or others to train a few hours here and there doesn’t provide for the requirement you stated, that is a hands on 24/7 training.  Also, if HTC offers someone either free monthly or subsidized monthly subscriptions, the government sees that as payment for services provided.  Which according to federal and state laws within the USA make that Trainer, an employee of HTC.  That’s just the way it is.  That “employee” could turn around and sue for benefits.  Perhaps profit sharing or company paid retirement benefits.  It becomes a huge tax liability to HTC on all that imputed income paid and no fica or SS withheld.
You also didn’t address my question about the quality of the teaching, can these people teach, not everyone can.

[ToeTag]

Fugitive, What I’m talking about is your statement:Your offer for yourself or others to train a few hours here and there doesn’t provide for the requirement you stated, that is a hands on 24/7 training.  Also, if HTC offers someone either free monthly or subsidized monthly subscriptions, the government sees that as payment for services provided.  Which according to federal and state laws within the USA make that Trainer, an employee of HTC.  That’s just the way it is.  That “employee” could turn around and sue for benefits.  Perhaps profit sharing or company paid retirement benefits.  It becomes a huge tax liability to HTC on all that imputed income paid and no fica or SS withheld.
You also didn’t address my question about the quality of the teaching, can these people teach, not everyone can.

So all of Dales whiskey bribes are taxable and illegal!

volunteer /=/ This would simply fall under.....( your going to volunteer your time to help us....we aren't going to charge you for your time helping.)  Not compensation.  I am a paying customer and they would simply be deciding what to charge me.  Two very different things!

[Traveler]

So all of Dales whiskey bribes are taxable and illegal!

volunteer /=/ This would simply fall under.....( your going to volunteer your time to help us....we aren't going to charge you for your time helping.)  Not compensation.  I am a paying customer and they would simply be deciding what to charge me.  Two very different things!

First, where did I say "illegal"?  Second, It's not me, it's how the courts both federal and state have ruled.  compensation, can be in many forms, when not in the form of cash, it's defined as imputed income.  That's a legal term used by the courts and most importantly the IRS.  Most small business incorporate for tax reasons and as a means to shelter income and protect assets. Most of these small private corporation the stock is held by a very special few employees.  The benefits are limited to these employees.  Now along comes a gamer, that's provided widget playing maps in exchange the widget gaming corporation provided a reduced subscription and only charged the volunteer map builder $1.00 a month, while charging all other players $15.00 a month.  Now the map builder falls on hard times, his shyster brother in law is an attorney and informs the widget map builder that he's entitled to benefits because he spent the last 10 years building and selling his widget maps to Widget Gaming Corporation.  The IRS wants all the back taxes and the state wants all the unemployment taxes, that should have been taken along the way, sure it doesn't amount to a hill of beans, but what they really want are the fines for failing to file the proper reports.  The fines are huge.   

[Ciaphas]

Well if they want a volunteer in the future, if they go that route, I could volunteer a few hours a couple of times a week.


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[ToeTag]

First of all the whiskey thing was a complete joke!

Secondly the case is frivolous. What are the players damages from getting a discounted rate and playing a game.

Thirdly that would mean that anyone here who has contributed their time or services could sue HTC...

The player donating their time to the game by means of creative content or helping another player is equal to just playing the game.

I thinks you been reading to many books....because you argument means..... anyone who has helped another player at any time in the history of Aces High would some how be entitled to back pay because they received a christmas coupon in the mail as a thank you gift.

[Traveler]

Thirdly that would mean that anyone here who has contributed their time or services could sue HTC...

NO, that's not what I said.  I was talking about someone that performed a service for a corporation that received compensation in the form of Imputed income.

The player donating their time to the game by means of creative content or helping another player is equal to just playing the game.

Not if the gamer had an agreement with the gaming corporation that in exchange for services they received compensation.

I thinks you been reading to many books....because you argument means..... anyone who has helped another player at any time in the history of Aces High would some how be entitled to back pay because they received a christmas coupon in the mail as a thank you gift.

Not reading to many books, reading court decisions at both the federal and state level on imputed income and IRS rulings.  If someone is compensated on a regular basis, say monthly, by any means of compensation, ie, imputed income,  by a corporation that person  can be considered an employee of said corporation.   

[ToeTag]

NO, that's not what I said.  I was talking about someone that performed a service for a corporation that received compensation in the form of Imputed income.

Not if the gamer had an agreement with the gaming corporation that in exchange for services they received compensation.


Not reading to many books, reading court decisions at both the federal and state level on imputed income and IRS rulings.  If someone is compensated on a regular basis, say monthly, by any means of compensation, ie, imputed income,  by a corporation that person  can be considered an employee of said corporation.

If you watch too much Alex Jones you start to think the world is coming to an end!....poof

[Traveler]

If you watch too much Alex Jones you start to think the world is coming to an end!....poof

bottom line, there is nothing wrong with the training corps that currently exists in Aces High, what is lacking is a quality training environment that steps the new player from training station to training station to ensure that each new player has a fundamental understanding of the game prior to that new players entry into the main arena.  Such a training environment has never existed in Aces High and I doubt that HTC is willing to invest the time and effort to create such an environment.  So the baby seals will continue to get clubbed and many new players will never become subscribers do to the learning curve of this game.

[TWCAxew]

bottom line, there is nothing wrong with the training corps that currently exists in Aces High, what is lacking is a quality training environment that steps the new player from training station to training station to ensure that each new player has a fundamental understanding of the game prior to that new players entry into the main arena.  Such a training environment has never existed in Aces High and I doubt that HTC is willing to invest the time and effort to create such an environment.  So the baby seals will continue to get clubbed and many new players will never become subscribers do to the learning curve of this game.

I always club the baby seals by mistake but I always offer my services afterwards. I actually like to come in contact with the baby seals before I club them to take them on my wing and have a good time with them instead of ruining there day. 

Edit: i just noticed this treat ( http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,391954.0.html ) what such a training environment could look like

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