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Offline Randy1

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At least do this
« on: March 22, 2018, 08:26:20 PM »
Since htc has made never answered my wish about getting rid of don't move your controls rapidly error message.

How about having an indicator that shows how long it is till you can use your controls again.  Second, how about making it shorter.  I lose two or three planes a night due to this odd bit of coding.

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Re: At least do this
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2018, 08:34:46 PM »
Have you tried checking your setup for spiking? This is a problem on your end, something HTC shouldn't have to fix in their coding.
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Re: At least do this
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2018, 08:59:09 PM »
Since htc has made never answered my wish about getting rid of don't move your controls rapidly error message.

How about having an indicator that shows how long it is till you can use your controls again.  Second, how about making it shorter.  I lose two or three planes a night due to this odd bit of coding.

Ya know that if you DONT move your controls to quickly you NEVER get that message.

I haven't gotten it in years. Stop yankin' your stick around. Dont put your self in a position where you would NEED to yank it around. If your getting the message, you have put your self in a position where you SHOULD be dead so it is working out about right.

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Re: At least do this
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2018, 12:51:42 AM »
I got it the other night but I was in an unfamiliar plane so that may have been a factor.  Other than that I cannot remember the last time I had that message.

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Re: At least do this
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2018, 03:43:54 AM »
I got it because of stick slop.   My airplane was barely even moving...
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Re: At least do this
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2018, 08:12:40 AM »
Stop stick stirring


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Re: At least do this
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2018, 08:39:00 AM »
You having a calibrated joystick, small dead zone at the center, and halfway-decent technique is all that is needed here. Nothing wrong with the game.
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Re: At least do this
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2018, 08:55:00 AM »
Randy I know you've posted about this before so I know the history. I can only guess that one of two things are happening. Either you're actually moving your stick too fast(yes I know you swear you're not doing that but let's try ruling it out - - read on) or there's a problem with your stick. IT'S NOT A PROBLEM WITH THE GAME as most all of us don't get this message hardly ever after we've been flying for a while unless of course, we're moving our stick too fast or there's a problem with the stick. It's built into the game specifically to thwart people that would do that to game the smoothing code which takes a calculation of where you're heading in order for the rest of us to see planes moving as they do. Otherwise it'd be chaos.

So let's see if we can track down your problem and rule out the stick. Check this link out and download the joytester program toward the bottom. It's a nice program specifically for this kinda crap.

http://ftp.vkb-sim.pro/Programms/

Start the program and select a controller. It'll see all the controllers plugged into your pc. Select an axis. Now move the stick back and forth along the axis. There should be a smooth wave form up and down. If there are any jaggy glitches on it--there's your problem. Post screen shots here so we can see what's going on.

Now onto troubleshooting the issue. Is it a pot? Chances are it needs cleaned or maybe replaced. I've had to do this many times over the years with my CH fighterstick. It's just the nature of the beast.

Now maybe you have a newer Gen stick with hall sensors on it like I do now. Well that gets you away from the dirty pot problem but it doesn't get you away from a bad connection problem. Joysticks have little wires inside. They're attached from a pcb to the gimbal assy in some way so there's movement on the wires whenever you move the stick. The fighterstick had tiny spade connectors that went to the pots. I'd had to squeeze them tight with needle nose pliers so they'd stop wiggling around. Moving the stick made one wiggle around causing the stick moving too fast warning. The VKB stick has little plastic connectors that go from the sensors to the circuit board. They could get loose too and cause the same thing. Could be it wasn't pressed home fully when manufactured. Stuff happens.

Take a look at this stuff and see if we can't get to the bottom of the problem.


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Re: At least do this
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2018, 10:15:25 AM »
Randy, I had this problem early on as well... Poor understanding of an aircraft was the major culprit, then when I looked into my advanced joystick settings, it slapped me in the face... At resting position, my joystick was actually spiking up/down/left/right and could be seen on the "raw input vs scaled input".

The raw input was a little "dirty" and as such the game was reading those small involuntary movements as me "moving the stick too fast".  It took a bit of work on the deadband, and scaling to get the game to see "smooth" movements and a resting center input that didn't include little spikes each way.

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Re: At least do this
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2018, 11:18:13 AM »
You having a calibrated joystick, small dead zone at the center, and halfway-decent technique is all that is needed here. Nothing wrong with the game.

Thank you for your opinion.  I disagree ever so slightly.  :salute
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Re: At least do this
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2018, 08:02:52 AM »
Ya know that if you DONT move your controls to quickly you NEVER get that message.
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Re: At least do this
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2018, 09:25:41 AM »
I am with randy... when I fly serious and defensive in rare cases it locks my controls.  It is silly to do this without some kind of warning.... in the past year it only happened once but it made me die and ruined my mood lol..

Maybe all of ya are pickers and randy likes to turn and burn! Randy is right!!!

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Re: At least do this
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2018, 10:35:42 AM »
Have you tried checking your setup for spiking? This is a problem on your end, something HTC shouldn't have to fix in their coding.
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If I understand correctly then you increase dead band in case of mechanical stick slop and increase damping or clean joystick pots in case of signal spiking. Never had this problem again after regular cleaning of pots and fiddling with damping setting on my older controller. Never had this problem with hall sensors on my newer controller.
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Re: At least do this
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2018, 10:43:34 AM »
It is silly to do this without some kind of warning.... in the past year it only happened once but it made me die and ruined my mood lol..

Seeing a warning would probably be already too late and the threshold of ridiculous stick stirring gets passed anyway.
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Re: At least do this
« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2018, 10:58:20 AM »


I am with randy... when I fly serious and defensive in rare cases it locks my controls.  It is silly to do this without some kind of warning....

Not sure if you're being serious here.

Ummmmm..... It IS the warning.

If your idea of defensive maneuvering is to jerk your stick all over the place... well.... THAT'S why you're getting the warning.

The host server no like that. Same thing as when your net stat gets kinda jiggy you lose UDP shortly before it kicks you.

Have a solid net connection and you don't get that warning. Don't jerk your stick around and you don't get that warning. Simple. These things are built into the game for a reason and I am +1000 in support of the reason. Remove this and it'd be pinwheel city far worse than anything we currently see which is bad enough. So sorry.

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