1/2 winged planes

[flippz]

I wish there was a flight characteristic change when you shoot off 1/2 a planes wing.  its ridiculousto get in a fight with a plane shoot 1/2 the wing off and they out run/ and out maneuver you.  now I don't doubt a 1/2 wing plane can land if slow enough but there is no way in hell a 190d with 1/2 a right wing can out run me on the deck. 
have multiple films of this occurring, and its almost as if they get faster when this occurs.  had a ki84 the other day 1/2 wing turn with me twice (I was not the one that hit the wing)  but still two turns with 1/2 a wing, there is no way.

[Wiley]

I wish there was a flight characteristic change when you shoot off 1/2 a planes wing.  its ridiculousto get in a fight with a plane shoot 1/2 the wing off and they out run/ and out maneuver you.  now I don't doubt a 1/2 wing plane can land if slow enough but there is no way in hell a 190d with 1/2 a right wing can out run me on the deck. 
have multiple films of this occurring, and its almost as if they get faster when this occurs.  had a ki84 the other day 1/2 wing turn with me twice (I was not the one that hit the wing)  but still two turns with 1/2 a wing, there is no way.

There is.  The wing seems to lose about... half its lift or so.  There is some wiggle room in how much lift a plane produces compared to its weight so with the wingtip gone, the root of the wing can still generate enough lift to carry some planes if you're careful.

What specifically would cause a plane to slow down when missing half a wing?  There's less drag with it gone.

Wiley.

[Vraciu]

There is.  The wing seems to lose about... half its lift or so.  There is some wiggle room in how much lift a plane produces compared to its weight so with the wingtip gone, the root of the wing can still generate enough lift to carry some planes if you're careful.

What specifically would cause a plane to slow down when missing half a wing?  There's less drag with it gone.

Wiley.

Induced drag of all sorts among other things--like mangled parts sticking out all over.    Assuming the reduced drag of the missing wing isn't a full offset of course. 

[Wiley]

Induced drag of all sorts among other things--like mangled parts sticking out all over.    Assuming the reduced drag of the missing wing isn't a full offset of course. 

What mangled parts?  They seem to break somewhat clean.  How does that drag compare to the drag created by the wing itself?

Wiley.

[Vraciu]

What mangled parts?  They seem to break somewhat clean.  How does that drag compare to the drag created by the wing itself?

Wiley.

How would I know without a wind tunnel?  Seriously.  I have no clue, bruh.   If a mangled wingtip was less drag than a faired one well...

Meanwhile you've got yaw you must counter with rudder and asymmetric lift to counter with aileron.  That's not a drag-free endeavor.

[Wiley]

How would I know without a wind tunnel?  Seriously.  I have no clue, bruh.   If a mangled wingtip was less drag than a faired one well...

Meanwhile you've got yaw you must counter with rudder and asymmetric lift to counter with aileron.  That's not a drag-free endeavor.

And that yaw and asymmetric lift are modeled.  Drag due to not flying straight appears to be modeled as well.  About the only thing we can't see is how much the broken end affects things versus the clean full wing.

About all you guys are saying is "Something should be different." without showing or seemingly knowing how that stacks up against what's already there.

Wiley.

[Vraciu]

And that yaw and asymmetric lift are modeled.  Drag due to not flying straight appears to be modeled as well.  About the only thing we can't see is how much the broken end affects things versus the clean full wing.

About all you guys are saying is "Something should be different." without showing or seemingly knowing how that stacks up against what's already there.

Wiley.

Being modeled doesn't mean modeled accurately.   (I'm not saying it's inaccurate either.)


You can be darned sure a mangled wing will create loads of drag.   All you have to do is look at VGs on the cockpit hump of a G-Whiz or a Legacy to know that.

[SPKmes]

Wings are hollow aren't they....surely that would cause drag...it is not a clean surface allowing air flow.... I would think it would cause the plane to be pulled in the direction of break as this would have a reduced airflow....

I notice this on certain planes...not just one..... all I know is half a wing on a Ki61 and there is a real struggle to get it down safely.... there is no chance to attempt to change direction quickly let alone fly full speed and keep things straight.... it has made me wonder at times...but gave up worrying many years ago.

[flippz]

I’m not saying you can’t fly one. I’m saying you are not going to do 330 mph turning and weaving from enemy gun fire and out run any thing. Just annoying.

[Wiley]

I’m not saying you can’t fly one. I’m saying you are not going to do 330 mph turning and weaving from enemy gun fire and out run any thing. Just annoying.

How fast would you go then?

Wiley.

[Becinhu]

The f4us can do it as well....that is as long as I am not flying it. In that case it requires full opposite rudder to even keep it level and then a storch can catch me.


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[Zimme83]

The most important issue is whether or not the remaining aileron could counter the asymmetric lift. At high speed even half a wing produces enough lift to allow you to maneuver. (but you have a lot more drag). In general the TnB:ers handles it better than the BnZ:ers due to their lower wing loading. IRL it would probably be a lot messier to do but writing the piece of code to properly simulate the air flow over the broken wing is a bit complicated and it would prob be a bit overkill for a video game..

And it was apparently possible to fly with half a wing...
   

[Vraciu]

The most important issue is whether or not the remaining aileron could counter the asymmetric lift. At high speed even half a wing produces enough lift to allow you to maneuver. (but you have a lot more drag). In general the TnB:ers handles it better than the BnZ:ers due to their lower wing loading. IRL it would probably be a lot messier to do but writing the piece of code to properly simulate the air flow over the broken wing is a bit complicated and it would prob be a bit overkill for a video game..

And it was apparently possible to fly with half a wing...

We all know it’s possible.   That wasn’t the OP’s grievance. 

[bustr]

Hitech has some kind of wind tunnel function he runs from what I remember when he develops a new ride. He had to have tested many conditions to choose to allow for the 190 to stay in the air once it lost the outboard wing panel. Don't we always tell people which side wing you want knocked off so the prop helps balance things? Was that the situation with the 190 in question? I've had dora's get me home with no problems with a wing shot off and other times I could not keep control due to it being the wrong side wing.

[Becinhu]

Hitech has some kind of wind tunnel function he runs from what I remember when he develops a new ride. He had to have tested many conditions to choose to allow for the 190 to stay in the air once it lost the outboard wing panel. Don't we always tell people which side wing you want knocked off so the prop helps balance things? Was that the situation with the 190 in question? I've had dora's get me home with no problems with a wing shot off and other times I could not keep control due to it being the wrong side wing.

I think the issue is not the plane flying. It’s the plane missing a wing flying at full speed and being able to outmaneuver a fully intact aircraft minus half a wing.


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