Design discussion for Fjord Fury (June 2018 Scenario)

[Brooke]

Here is the starter document for Fjord Fury.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vQsSNeYBqsg5Eh_tyKJtUG3uaT-87AlRQxGgagu2r5QWtpmNoGk1yQHJLU3kM0iBcUNk-f4fmImmxyB/pub

[puller]

GAAAAAAAA!!!!!!

I want the 152 squad so bad...

What a drag...

Hopefully after this baby comes I'll have more time...still have lots of work to do on the house...

[Spikes]

What units were in Norway in 1945?

[Guppy35]

What units were in Norway in 1945?

Spikes there were no 152s there or K4s for that matter, and while the RAF claimed to have run into D9s in late 45, it's not clear if they were there either.  Spit XIVs didn't have the range, nor did the Tempests, so this is a partial suspend your disbelief design to include more plane types.

The reality is RAF Mustang IIIs and IVs based at Peterhead flew escorts to Mossie's and Beaus.  They didn't escort Lancs.   

The LW had 109Gs and 190As.  It was seen as a place that was as close to a rest unit as a LW pilot could get.  Consequently the units there had a lot of veteran pilots on 'rest' and there were some wicked brawls fought on occasion down low between the RAF Mustangs and the LW 109Gs and 190As. 

[Guppy35]

Luftwaffe Fighter Unit in Norway was III/JG5.  They had a mix of G14s and 190A8s in 9/JG5, 10/JG5, 12/JG5, 13/JG5, 14/JG5 and 16/JG5

There was also a unit of 110s, 12/ZG 26  used as long range interceptors of the Beaus and Mossies

RAF Mustang units that flew escort from Peterhead were:

315 Squadron (Polish) in Mustang III
19 Squadron  Mustang III and IV
65 Squadron Mustang III and IV

[oboe]

I've adopted Piterko's P-51B (Mustang III) from 315 Sqdn and should have it submitted well in advance of the scenario date.  The 109G-14 has a fine JG5 skin but JG 5's K-4 skin doesn't carry German markings - it has Russian Liberation Army markings.  Prolly some other K4 skin could be used though.

Perhaps the design could include a mix of '51Ds and B's for the RAF, and a mix of K4s and G14s for the Luftwaffe?  Seems like its always a plus for a scenario to include historically-correct models skinned for actual groups involved, if we have have the right models and skins available...   

[Guppy35]

The Norway runs have been a fascination for a long time, having first read about them way back in high school.  This is from "Mustang at War" by Roger Freeman.  It gives a good account of the battles between JG5 and the Mustangs covering the Beaus and Mossies.  The following us shared purely for the history.  It has no connection to the actual design. Just sharing it Brooke

[Guppy35]

The terrain and altitude the airwar over Norway was fought.





Banff Wing Mossie in on the shipping


Beau's at work


Now imagine having 109s and 190s dropping in on them with cliffs on each side and no where to dive away. 

[weiser]

Brooke,
  I'm in and will take command of the spits, and help when I can on the event.
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weiser
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[weiser]

Brooke,
Looking at my work schedule June 1,8,15 I could make 22nd is a maybe because I work that night, last one.
I would be good on May 25th but that may br rushing it.
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weiser

[Brooke]

[Brooke]

Brooke,
  I'm in

Sweet!

[FBDragon]

I want my 190A8 please!!!!!

[Guppy35]

I've adopted Piterko's P-51B (Mustang III) from 315 Sqdn and should have it submitted well in advance of the scenario date.  The 109G-14 has a fine JG5 skin but JG 5's K-4 skin doesn't carry German markings - it has Russian Liberation Army markings.  Prolly some other K4 skin could be used though.

Perhaps the design could include a mix of '51Ds and B's for the RAF, and a mix of K4s and G14s for the Luftwaffe?  Seems like its always a plus for a scenario to include historically-correct models skinned for actual groups involved, if we have have the right models and skins available...   

Can you sneak in time for a 19 or 65 Squadron Mustang IV oboe?

[Guppy35]

Brooke, since oboe already has a 315 skin for the 51B, how bout changing the group of 6 Mustangs to Mustang IIIs.  I want em if they can be 315