Traverse rate for 88MM

[Mister Fork]

Ok - after watching a video of an actual 88mm flak gun traverse on it's mount, our 88mm is around 5x too slow.  By the looks of it in this video (around the 2:00m mark), it shows the 88 traversing to take another shot yet it doesn't move like a retired bingo player claiming their prize on a walker like our current 88mm does. Please fix.

[bustr]

Doesn't the 88 have two speeds of traverse from the manual and Hitech chose the slower speed? The faster speed would make the 88 like having a 5in on the field which would destabilize game play. And similar wishes for the wirble have been made becasue it has a higher traverse speed based on the manual.

Looked it up in the manual, here are the traverse times for 360 degrees.

High gear - 33.90sec
Low gear - 69.79sec

Seems like Hitech chose Low gear, but, against the 5in time below, 33.90sec, who knows. At 1.5 range a bit more enemy fighters would be knocked down on the traverse and we would being hearing about it in here for ever.

5inch - 13sec.

[JOACH1M]

the 88mm doesnt need a buff. Its already powerful enough.

[Mister Fork]

Doesn't the 88 have two speeds of traverse from the manual and Hitech chose the slower speed? The faster speed would make the 88 like having a 5in on the field which would destabilize game play. And similar wishes for the wirble have been made becasue it has a higher traverse speed based on the manual.

Looked it up in the manual, here are the traverse times for 360 degrees.

High gear - 33.90sec
Low gear - 69.79sec

Seems like Hitech chose Low gear, but, against the 5in time below, 33.90sec, who knows. At 1.5 range a bit more enemy fighters would be knocked down on the traverse and we would being hearing about it in here for ever.

5inch - 13sec.

Very true Bustr... how about the player should decide his/her traverse rate? That crew in the video looks like they could swing the 88mm 180° around 10 seconds.

[bustr]

How about convincing Hitech the faster speed won't upset the apple cart.

[Mongoose]

Please, Hitech, for the sake of historical accuracy, modify the traverse speed on the 88.  How about giving it both high and low gear speeds based on amount of joystick deflection?

[JOACH1M]

How about convincing Hitech the faster speed won't upset the apple cart.

oh it will

[lyric1]

Ok - after watching a video of an actual 88mm flak gun traverse on it's mount, our 88mm is around 5x too slow.  By the looks of it in this video (around the 2:00m mark), it shows the 88 traversing to take another shot yet it doesn't move like a retired bingo player claiming their prize on a walker like our current 88mm does. Please fix.

http://www.lonesentry.com/manuals/88mm-antiaircraft-gun/index.html

[popeye]

As long as we are discussing gun modelling, here is a vid showing operation of the 17lb anti-tank gun:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KosCsRbAADg

Notice that, in addition to the crew member with his eye glued to the gun sight, there are four other crew members including a "commander" who is standing and has full view of the area.  Also notice, at the 2:28 mark, the commander appears to retain full flexibility of his neck and is able to see to the sides and behind the gun.   

[Chalenge]

Talking to an operator of this gun would make a whole lot of sense. I have a feeling that the slower speed is for finer aiming. Not that it matters in this case. I remember when the Wirb had a faster turret.

[bustr]

The film aside and the historic argument disallowed. Why do you want a faster traverse for the 88 if know it will act like a 5in on an airfield?

The only time I want a faster speed is responding to tanks that get onto the field. At which point they have a reticle advantage for ranging and I get one maybe two shots to win that duel or more often loose. In that case it would be nice if when you change to AP ammo it changes you to the direct fire 88 reticle and locks you into the same view limitation as the 17lb. A faster 88 with AA ammo on a field would game wise make the 88 the first target along with radar but, if not taken out, it would destabilize combat over airfields unless you look at this wish as an unspoken stealth vulch killer game device. If you don't let people attack feilds and overwhelm them, they are not going to meet between feilds and have reenactments of the DA's finest solo and group combat moments. They do not want to and will look for something else to do in the game or play WT.

I think there is a reason Hitech chose to have a geriatric hamster turn the traverse wheel for the 88. 

[mikeWe9a]

The video doesn't represent actual usage, but a postwar demonstration (probably for an airshow or something similar).  The loads being used are blanks for show (notice that the gun rocks back somewhat but doesn't actually recoil on its mechanism).  During the high speed rotation, it is being pushed around by the crew rather than the gunner using the movement gear, and there isn't actually a gunner sighting the gun during any of the video.

Mike

[USRanger]

Maybe a compromise traverse speed right down the middle.

[lyric1]

During the high speed rotation, it is being pushed around by the crew rather than the gunner using the movement gear,
Mike

No they are not!
The guy seated on the right is hand cranking it around. The two walking one is loading the other is firing the gun. The guy seated on the left is there to hand crank in the vertical.

[Mister Fork]

No they are not!
The guy seated on the right is hand cranking it around. The two walking one is loading the other is firing the gun. The guy seated on the left is there to hand crank in the vertical.

<- this.

And I'm correct in the traverse was really quick, a lot quicker than what the manual states for the high gear.  As with any experienced gun crew, they usually can blow any 'best usage' rates out the water, especially if they're highly motivated. And I suspect that ours is in low gear.

How about this?  If you're in AA mode, you're in low gear and if you're in AP mode, you're in high gear? Or maybe just let us, the gunner, select which mode?