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Offline Vraciu

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Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
« Reply #30 on: May 12, 2018, 10:23:00 AM »
Why don't y'all just wait for the NTSB report to come out, unless you just like mental masturbation that much....
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Will they even investigate this?   Used to be they would only investigate DoD/Border Patrol/Customs/et al. by request of the agency unless a civilian aircraft was involved.
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Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
« Reply #31 on: May 12, 2018, 10:41:17 AM »
Will they even investigate this?   Used to be they would only investigate DoD/Border Patrol/Customs/et al. by request of the agency unless a civilian aircraft was involved.

How are they even going to know? The drone blew up all the evidence and comms. The only thing they will have is the radio to the tower. I'm sure it was a speedy clean up just like Vegas.

We have every right to be "tin foil" hatters. 5 military aircraft and pilots killed the week before. (Statistically impossible). The botched Vegas F-ery. There's a lot of crap going on. I don't know why we should be called "tin foil hatters" when you know something isn't right. The truth is not a conspiracy.

ps. Vraciu - Thanks for vulching me dead stop on the runnaway landing with 6 kills in the FSO.... Ya dick. Ruined my great night.
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Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
« Reply #32 on: May 12, 2018, 11:33:00 AM »
ps. Vraciu - Thanks for vulching me dead stop on the runnaway landing with 6 kills in the FSO.... Ya dick. Ruined my great night.

YW.

1) I had no idea it was you.   Had the roles been reversed I'm sure you would have had zero qualms blasting me into oblivion.

2) My job is SEAD.   I had bombers in the air that were trying to get home safely and I wasn't letting anyone rearm if I could help it.

3) I don't quite recall killing anyone on the ground.   I probably hit you while airborne and someone else finished the job.

4) We were outnumbered at least 2:1 in that sector with a 262 lurking.   We had to make sure the odds were knocked down by any means necessary.

5) I am now an Ace in FSO.   :banana:

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Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
« Reply #33 on: May 12, 2018, 11:33:33 AM »
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Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
« Reply #34 on: May 12, 2018, 11:35:51 AM »
I read somewhere else that they had two engines out and had communicated that to ATC.  Not sure if true, would seem we would have seen that in the media now.

Two engines out would certainly explain what is seen in the video.  I wondered about a prop issue -- runaway or uncommanded reverse thrust.  Something got them slow and caused them to lose control.
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Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
« Reply #35 on: May 12, 2018, 11:58:15 AM »
YW.

1) I had no idea it was you.   Had the roles been reversed I'm sure you would have had zero qualms blasting me into oblivion.

2) My job is SEAD.   I had bombers in the air that were trying to get home safely and I wasn't letting anyone rearm if I could help it.

3) I don't quite recall killing anyone on the ground.   I probably hit you while airborne and someone else finished the job.

4) We were outnumbered at least 2:1 in that sector with a 262 lurking.   We had to make sure the odds were knocked down by any means necessary.

5) I am now an Ace in FSO.   :banana:

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Yeah it was you and 2 others right over A35, I dodged y'all 3 times and you drilled me sliding down the run way about to hit .ef. was not hit before then. Y'all were the last 4 bishop on the map.... Oh well.  I don't need to play that kind of game.
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Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
« Reply #36 on: May 12, 2018, 11:59:20 AM »
Will they even investigate this?   Used to be they would only investigate DoD/Border Patrol/Customs/et al. by request of the agency unless a civilian aircraft was involved.

It’s an Air Force (ANG) asset.  There will be an accident investigation team formed and signed.



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Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
« Reply #37 on: May 12, 2018, 12:00:01 PM »
Yeah it was you and 2 others right over A35, I dodged y'all 3 times and you drilled me sliding down the run way about to hit .ef. was not hit before then. Y'all were the last 4 bishop on the map.... Oh well.  I don't need to play that kind of game.

I didn't get a kill on that one.

And there were about seven other guys around.   Maybe you didn't see them but I sure did.

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Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
« Reply #38 on: May 12, 2018, 12:01:17 PM »
It’s an Air Force (ANG) asset.  There will be an accident investigation team formed and signed.

I mean, will the NTSB even bother unless specifically requested to help?    It's an ANG asset so any investigation would be in-house by the Air Force/ANG.  That's my understanding.
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Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
« Reply #39 on: May 12, 2018, 12:06:46 PM »
I read somewhere else that they had two engines out and had communicated that to ATC.  Not sure if true, would seem we would have seen that in the media now.

Two engines out would certainly explain what is seen in the video.  I wondered about a prop issue -- runaway or uncommanded reverse thrust.  Something got them slow and caused them to lose control.

Colombo, do you have any 130 time?  Curious about systems, etc.  Being pretty much empty, except for fuel and pax, it would seem there would be excess power available.   The video seems to indicate the classic low altitude, stall, spin scenario.  Will be interesting to hear what caused the uncontrollable roll.



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Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
« Reply #40 on: May 12, 2018, 12:20:19 PM »
Colombo, do you have any 130 time?  Curious about systems, etc.  Being pretty much empty, except for fuel and pax, it would seem there would be excess power available.   The video seems to indicate the classic low altitude, stall, spin scenario.  Will be interesting to hear what caused the uncontrollable roll.

I wish I had some Herc time. :)

My take on the video is they were nose low with a high sink rate which means to me they were very slow.

The uncontrolled roll at the end looks to me like a classic spin entry.  It looks like they were in a slight left turn, I think they had a power loss or prop problem on the left side and unfortunately they failed to do the basic task of flying the airplane.

I can't find anything online but I have a memory of someone doing a single-engine touch and go with a Herc many years ago to prove it could be done.

The Herc is one heck of an airplane.  As a young paratrooper I was impressed with how sharply it could accelerate and decelerate inflight, sometimes so much that it would cause troops to fall to the deck as we waited to jump.  We would come in Nap of Earth and a couple of minutes out they would climb steeply to our drop altitude of 800-1000', level off and slow quickly to our drop speed of about 115 knots IAS meanwhile we're standing up, with 100-200 pounds of gear strapped to us and hanging on so we don't fall down (if you did you were pretty much like the turtle on it's back!).  Fun times. :x
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Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
« Reply #41 on: May 12, 2018, 12:42:13 PM »
Colombo, do you have any 130 time?  Curious about systems, etc.  Being pretty much empty, except for fuel and pax, it would seem there would be excess power available.   The video seems to indicate the classic low altitude, stall, spin scenario.  Will be interesting to hear what caused the uncontrollable roll.

That's what I think.   There is clearly a three-quarter turn spin-related auto-rotation right before impact.

Ugly.

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Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
« Reply #42 on: May 12, 2018, 01:10:14 PM »
Can’t even imagine how horrific it must have been for those on board.



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Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
« Reply #43 on: May 12, 2018, 03:51:38 PM »
Ok,this is some of same footage used TO show a possible second object striking the plane.....Obvious that this is a bird :rolleyes:   https://youtu.be/52-f2Wnh9WY    Its amazing what folk can do with editing
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Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
« Reply #44 on: May 12, 2018, 04:27:03 PM »
So the footage from another camera on the lot shows no missing frames, no magic missile or drone destroying the wreckage, no conspiracy, no coverup. It is amazing what the tinfoil hat crowd believes and puts together in order to push their skewed conspiracy agenda
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