F4U1-C

[Creamo]

Oh just sum it up-

F4U-C is has a F-18 .20 rotating gattlin cannon in it and you have to either learn to fly it and be shameless about pilot rank, or MORE important ...as a defender, AVOID it.

My only complaint is tonight I was in a Buff, and I was attacked by a F4U-C from my 6.
I saw it coming from 4K, and was all over it, the AI adding to my 6 fire power.

He did nothing, as  a non-evasive 6 attack, and I poured it all into him.

As soon as he fired toejam flew off the 17 like paper. I survived but man, just like one of 1000 F4U-C encounters,  the F4U-C seeemed gattling-gun equipped.

They suck, update it, quick. They a bit annoying.

[niklas]

First, who is interested in the Ta152 and can read german language: There´s an excellent book about the development of the high altitude fighter 152.
It is
Ta152
Der Weg zum Höhenjäger.
(the way to the high altitude fighter)
ISBN 3-925505-44-X
 

Vermillion posted some time ago charts for the 152. They´re from this book.

Funked is right, only ~ a dozen 152 were in combat. The heavy bombardement made a regular production impossible at the end of the war.
The 152 were sometimes attacked by other JG´s with their 109ers who didn´t know this new german fighter!

Ta152 never flew cover for the Me262. That´s a tale.

When the Ta152 was tested after the war in America, they were not able to get the same good flight performances than in Rechlin! Maybe, after the war, america wasn´t interested to have a good german fighter (i´m really asking myself why they destroyed hundreds of me262 instead of using them after the war, the situation with russia was not the best..)

And the 152 was NOT a experimental plane, it was a great design (not only a better 190D btw). Wrong decisions in the RLM and the difficult situation at the end were the reasons why the Ta152 saw combat so late in the war and why they were used only in small numbers.

RAM, maybe that surprises you, but the 190A8 bleeds E NOT like a B17, in opposite it is at the moment a plane that has a good E retention! To good imo, like the P38 who is still unbelievable good even without those Fowler Flaps!

And a Ta152 can easily outturn a 190! They were even better in a Turn than a 109 (and real 109er were better turnfighter than here in AH)
Their bigger wingspan reduced rollrate a bit compared to a 190 (max rollrate is ~1/wingspan, except for the P38 of course..) but the bigger wingarea gave them an advantage in a turnfight. In this book that i mentioned there´s written down a little story where a Tempest tried near the ground to escape from a 152 in a Turn. The Tempest pulled harder and harder. While the 152 had no Problems to follow this Turn, the Tempest stalled and crashed (ok, the question is how good is the Tempest as a turnfighter)
They also used their better turnperformance to get behind the P51.

I think it´s not so important whether you get a 190D or a Ta152. It´s more important which engine will be modelled. The LW still has no high altitude fighter. A Jumo213 could change this  

niklas

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[Vermillion]

RAM I suggest you get the Ta-152 book I posted about a couple of weeks ago. Its the most comprehensive and highly researched book on the subject I have ever seen. He even goes thru and lists all the werk numbers of the aircraft produced.

Ta-152C was never built beyond the prototype stage. I believe there were approximately 6 built.

The whole story about Ta-152's being used to protect Me262's while landing is another myth. The author goes into this in detail.

Of the 150 built, most were destroyed on the ground, or never flown due to being delivered without critical components to the active units. This is from first hand accounts from Ta-152 pilots.

And here is the most important one. Most of the Ta-152's produced were Ta-152H0's, which were not equipped with either GM1 or MW50 due to production difficulties. It wasn't until the H1, that these boost systems were installed. And the H1 was a very small fraction of the approximately 150 produced.

If you look at the performance of the H0, you will find that it is subpar in performance to the P-51D, Fw-190D, and Spit XIV, until you get very high in the altitude range.

If you want when I get home I can total up the production of the Ta-152, and which variants were actually made.

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
Carpe Jugulum
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"

[funked]

Niklas -

"i´m really asking myself why they destroyed hundreds of me262 instead of using them after the war"

For one thing the engines were not reliable on the 262.  It's doubtful the US could have operated them effectively without a lot of cooperation from the men in black.  Another thing is that the US had the P-80, a superior aircraft, just reaching service units.  Finally the US already had superior prop fighters to the USSR, like P-51H, P-47M, P-47N.

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[-towd_]

in an interesting twist of fate i believe my next door neibor ( hes 81 now still sharp as a tack) was in on the dicovery of of one of these late war fighter factorys ( he still has wrong way drill bits yall germans used he took from the plant) he said the place was a fright , it was buried in the side of a mountain and had a ultramodern production line and litealy hundereds of machinest stations set up to produce 50 to 100 planes a day was the estimate, i aint kiddin he said the place looked like star wars really ultra modern ( with dead and dieing slave workers in a horrible state of abuse.

well to the point why didnt we use this excelent ready to go airplane factory , i asked him , he said there were bunches of planes laying around the factory, it had actually been in production when captured for like 3 days he said. they totaly dissasembled one and blew the others to hell and back was his quote, is asked why waste good planes, he got one of those odd looks you see on old soldiers faces and said , we were there to destroy son not to salvage. the us army is not very flexible. if yall are interested i can go get more details from him, he had a freind mail home a 109 a piece at a time  and his flight leader flew a 47 under the eiffle tower , great guy

[Swager]

I fly for JG2 in AH. I think the FW190D would be nice but should not be a priority.  As far as the Ta152 goes, it seems unrealistic.  Maybe after more important A/C are built into the sim.  And then only in a setting of a HA and in limited numbers.  For German fighters, the priority should be a different version of the FW190, like the A-4 or A-5.

This is just my opinion.  It was worth a can of beans two months ago!!    

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Swager
-XO- II/JG2~Richthofen~
"Damn.....I can't believe I missed that shot!!!"
 
JG2 "Richthofen"

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[Ripsnort]

Seems fair to me that AH's biggest squadron should get whatever plane they want, from a customer's aspect...whos the biggest AH squad?  Oh! Ram belongs to AH's biggest squad, JG2!

[sourkraut]

I'd like the Dora, please.  

Sour

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Sourkraut
JG-2 Richthofen

"Hey - someone has to be the target...."

[HABICHT]

here some ta152h-0 stats:
1. ta152-h0 had MW50
   ta152-h1 had GM1
2. 152's protecting 262 is a tale.
   12 h-0 were produced in serie
   35 h-1    "         "
3.h-0:
engine: jumo 213E
take off power: 1273 KW
combat power:    927 KW
wingspann:      14,44m
length   :      10,71m
wingarea :      23,50m²
takeoff weigh:  4740kg
top speed on deck: 542km/h
topspedd at 10Km:  718 km/h
with mw50:         755 km/h

arnament: 1xmk108 (90 rounds) +2xmg151/20   (2x150 rounds)

on 10.04.1945, OFw Kiel had enemy
contact with 15!!p-47.
he was able to down one and to escape.
the ta 152 was able to nearly reach the fuel
capacy of a p51 or p47.
the ta152 was eable tu turn out a fwXXX easily.

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JG2 "Richthofen"

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