I figured it out. Yes, I made sure CT was off, I already had if mapped to a stick button so I can flip it on and off at ease.
For elevator trim, I calibrated the axis for the wheel, now it works. I don't understand how, because even before I calibrated it the numbers would move with the wheel. But after calibration it works -shrugs-...
As for the aileron trim, if I used the rocker as analog it would always return trim to neutral because the rocker is spring loaded to return to center. I got it to work by leaving the analog axis unassigned, scrolled down to where it lets you assign the axis 'min' 'mid' and 'max'. Set the 'min' to aileron trim left, the 'max' to aileron trim right and leave the 'mid' unassigned. Now I can tap the rocker left or right to move the aileron trim.