"Pantelleria, 1943" scenario-design topic

[Brooke]

This is the topic for discussing the design of the "Pantelleria, 1943" scenario.

Your comments and thoughts -- if you can make them civilly -- are welcome.

[Brooke]

Starter document for the writeup:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vSxtStrZ1SSalXUh263OajXVVeE1AIhQY1DJDAXI4MIRAYj1oFPYZjwIWfPz4FoErqQ0KBLbQrvoMT9/pub

[Vudu15]

I can tell why you didnt want me as CO.

Why are the allies getting spit8s instead of 9s I thought in 43 the 31st was still transitioning from 5s to 9s?

What are point generating land targets? Actual hangers? Or buildings?

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[Brooke]

Weiser has asked if we can put in another Spitfire group into the design.

To add another Spitfire group, we would need to add another group to the Luftwaffe of course.  Also, we should increase the number of bombers a little to keep their ratio.

Thus registration would go from 68 to 84.  84 is higher than what registrations have been running, so I'm not sure it's a good idea.

But we are opening it up to discussion here to see what folks think.

[Brooke]

Why are the allies getting spit8s instead of 9s I thought in 43 the 31st was still transitioning from 5s to 9s?

I don't care if they are Spit 9's or Spit 8's.  I have read that they had both 8's and 9's there in about equal numbers, but I am no expert on the topic.

I'll leave it to others to argue if they should be Spit 8's or 9's.

What are point generating land targets? Actual hangers? Or buildings?

All hangars (fighter, bomber, vehicle) and all bunkers (ammo, fuel, barracks).

[TWCAxew]

But we are opening it up to discussion here to see what folks think.

Speaking for my squadron, it will be composed out of guys who will fly for the first time a scenario or don't fly in it regularly. So that should bumb numbers up a touch. They will fly in it because I asked them to.

DutchVII

[Larry]

Will the 190A5s have bombs enabled?

[jeffn]

Hiya Larry,

In reply to your question, from the write up

"Fighters have no bombs or rockets."

[Larry]

That's why I asked because I'm confused. I may be mistaken but I thought SG groups were, for the most part, ground attack.

[Devil 505]

That's why I asked because I'm confused. I may be mistaken but I thought SG groups were, for the most part, ground attack.

Yes, the 190's in Sicily belonged to ground attack units: Schlachtgeschwader 2(Sch.G.2) and Schnellkampfgeschwader 10(SKG 10)

There are mentions in this book of II/Sch.G.2 mounting fighter sorties, both in escort and defense roles.
http://airwarpublications.com/wp-content/uploads/Sample-Fw-190-in-the-Battle-for-Sicily.pdf

[Guppy35]

I can tell why you didnt want me as CO.

Why are the allies getting spit8s instead of 9s I thought in 43 the 31st was still transitioning from 5s to 9s?

What are point generating land targets? Actual hangers? Or buildings?

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31st had a mix of Vs and IXs from April of 43.  They got the VIIIs in August 43

[Larry]

Yes, the 190's in Sicily belonged to ground attack units: Schlachtgeschwader 2(Sch.G.2) and Schnellkampfgeschwader 10(SKG 10)

There are mentions in this book of II/Sch.G.2 mounting fighter sorties, both in escort and defense roles.
http://airwarpublications.com/wp-content/uploads/Sample-Fw-190-in-the-Battle-for-Sicily.pdf

I figured they must have run escort missions if their bombs have been disabled. I just wanted clarification. P.S. do you have that book? If so is it a good read? I need to add more to my bookshelf and since my birthday is coming up I can get away with spending a few hundred on books with the wife.

[Guppy35]

I'm sure the Luftwaffe experts will correct me if I'm wrong, but it also appears JG 53 was in G6s by the time of the Pantellaria operations in June of 43

[KCDitto]

They had a mix of G-4s and G-6s. We don't have G-4s, so I requested a group of G-2s.

[Vudu15]

Right and this fight was May to June of 43 so allies should still be running 9s not 8s.

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