"Pantelleria, 1943" scenario-design topic

[swareiam]

12 kills means little other than you got 12 kills.
I have 15 kills in one scenario; does that make me suddenly better? (Yes, I did, Ask any PoTW, I'll see if I can dig it up[ in the logs)

***EDIT I lied, it was 13

Top Pilots: Kills
   SEseph (80th FS "Headhunters"): 13

Nah, you missed the point. The point was that I took the inferior aircraft from the start, didn't complain or grip and had a really great time in the event [period]... That was the only point. 

I will continue to support that point as well. My hat is off to those that feel challenged in the "Least of all" aircraft. i.e. 109G-6, 202s, P-40Fs and in minor cases the P-38G.

So, If you are looking for immersion, challenge and fun that is what we hope you will find in this event. We are not always perfect or even close, but the three of us work well together and give it that old college try. We are not writing these events and then posting them for everyone to get their opportunity to change what was written. The basic foundation of the event is written and by the time the community sees it, we are just looking for tweeks. That is really it...

I urge you all to take on this challenge on as it is written with minor tweeks. You many not like somethings that you see, but I guarantee you that if you approach this event with the right attitude, it will be more fun than you can possibly image.

So prepare to plan, think and fight your way through and have a really great time doing it.

Hey it is a challenge. So go forth and be challenged.

[Brooke]

Needs clarification.

Some folks might think adding only 2 isn't enough.

[swareiam]

OK, with all that under consideration, here's what I propose.

We change allies from Spit 8's to Spit 9's.  We give the allies 2 more Spits.

This accounts for Spit 8 being faster on WEP, turning better, climbing better, and having 20 minutes more time aloft compared to Spit 9, and for 109G's being slightly better than P-38G's. 

JeffN, Weiser, Swareiam, and Ditto -- what say you?

If you don't like that, how about 4 more Spits?

Yep, let's go ahead and make that change.

[Devil 505]

Some folks might think adding only 2 isn't enough.

Some folks might think adding 2 is too much.

[swareiam]

I can image Albert Kesselring and Carl Spaatz sitting in a room having this discussion before Pantelleria and the invasion of Sicily. 

The freakin war would still be going waiting for those two to finish their arguments and get the "Just Right" planeset. 

The 12th Air Force would still be sitting in Tunisia with F-35s, B1s and B2s fueled up, loaded up and fired up ready to launch.

[Guppy35]

Leave the 8s and lets just get ready to fly the thing

[swareiam]

Leave the 8s and lets just get ready to fly the thing

What he said...

[Brooke]

To reiterate, Swareiam, Ditto, JeffN, and Weiser, can you get on board with this:

Spit 8's are changed to Spit 9's, and two Spits are added to the group.

(I'm working to get things closer, not working to oscillate between two positions that are not converging.)

[APDrone]

From USAAF Bomber command..

Re: B25c

For your consideration.

Any axis opponent equipped with a craft with better performance than a D3A is  a gross mismatch vs our capabilities and be scratched from the Order of Battle.

So there.

 


 

[Brooke]

Drone 

[puller]

I don't think adding the C.205 will help anything related to balance.

The Spit9 compares very favorably to the 190. No clear advantage for either side here.

The 109G is better than the P-38 in most respects. It's a close matchup, but the advantage here is with the Axis.

The P-40F is a good matchup for the C.202. The 202 has a slight speed advantage and is much superior in terms of climb/acceleration and turning. The P-40 is better in the dive and has a huge advantage in firepower.

The P-40F may seem worse, but is more useful. It's utility helps to close the gap between the 109 and P-38.

The C.205 completely dominates the P-40 in terms of speed and climb, while still being better in the turn. The 20mm cannons remove the one true advantage the P-40.

We had 2 Malta scenarios in a row where we had the 205 squad...Right???

If it wasn't it felt like it     

[Devil 505]

We had 2 Malta scenarios in a row where we had the 205 squad...Right???

If it wasn't it felt like it     

No, the raids on Malta were over before the 205 was introduced.

[Vudu15]

No aboslutly not to the 8s and sure as heck no extra spits period. You all forget the G6 take a ~13mph hit after it ditches its drop tank and the G2 takes a ~7 mph hit which against the 8 could be the difference. And lets not forget you didnt put spit8s in the layout during the vote. AND as if I should have more to add you and the COs sat doing whatever for a week or more and weiser comes out of that and asks for More spits? Did this not come up during y'alls lovely sit down? The spit 9s where placed in the event to balance the A5s now you want to add more spits? So if they they meet squad to squad they get a numerical advantage? Goodness guys...

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P.S. forget the 205 talk.

[jeffn]

To reiterate, Swareiam, Ditto, JeffN, and Weiser, can you get on board with this:

Spit 8's are changed to Spit 9's, and two Spits are added to the group.

(I'm working to get things closer, not working to oscillate between two positions that are not converging.)

Yes sir, I accept the challenge.

Further comment: There has been a lot of great discussion in this thread, although some has been combative, it shows the care and passion the player base involved has for these events. I am fine with the plane set as is, including the two extra spits. 

I am really looking forward to working with and against such knowledgeable players.

Lets get to sign up, forums and setting up our perspective strategies.

[Brooke]

We had 2 Malta scenarios in a row where we had the 205 squad...Right???

I don't think so.  MM (in 2013) was C.202's.  Southern Conquest (in 2016) Malta frame was C.202's, Torch frame was C.202's.  Maybe you are thinking of Southern Conquest Husky frame, which had C.202's and C.205's.  But Husky is invasion of Sicily (after Pantelleria).