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« on: December 07, 2001, 11:06:00 PM »
N1K2 out of A12
1st Section FunkedUp-CFIT-Dasko-Fdski
2nd Section Durr-Nuttz

Dasko discoed before launch.

We went to our CAP station at 5,17 and right as we got there we received a report of many contacts in 4,18 sector.  I figured it was an inbound raid and requested and received permission to check it out.

We got into 4,18 sector with about 26k alt and Nuttz spotted contacts West.  I saw 3 dots co-alt and 10-15 dots maybe 10k below us.  I turned towards them and it was still 3 dots on top so I decided to engage.  I looked down to type a contact report and by the time I looked up the 3 co-alt dots had become 10-15 dots slightly above us.  AH graphic system does not handle distant contacts very well.  "Fog of War" I guess.   :)

Anyways the bandits were Hellcats.  I turned my section N to get away from them but the other section turned a little to late and they were swarmed by several of the Hellcats.  There were still 6-8 on top and they chased down my section.  We turned to fight them but the N1K2 is not real good against a Hellcat at 25k, especially if outnumbered.  

I got one on my six and tried to evade but he had no problem staying on my tail and I went down in pieces.  I'm guessing they were light on fuel, and I know we had just jettisoned our tanks.  

The rest of my flight followed me into eternal glory shortly thereafter.  A couple of guys ended up diving into the low group we had seen earlier, turns out they were TBMs.  But I don't think they were able to down any of them.

Kind of sums up the way this whole TOD has gone for 308.  NEXT     :)

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« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2001, 11:56:00 PM »
JG2 was tasked with finding the fleet!

Weazel found it first with a load of Fleet flak downing his A/C.  He managed to get out a location report.  The rest of JG2 went to that particular sector.

Sour engaged some F6Fs and he believed he got 2 kills before the numbers got to him.

Proffate found so high enemy top cover and did the tango with them but once again the numbers were too much.  He believes he downed 1 and damaged one.

I found the fleet again and kept up continuous report until I seen the 88s being attacked by F6Fs!  I dove down to assist and got damage on one but the 88s were mauled.  The F6Fs chased me for awhile before giving up.  I got alittle bit of alt when engaged by 2 F4Us.  I danced with these two units and got damaging hits on one but the other got me.  

All the time I was engaged in this fight I could see A huge group of the Emperor's best heading toward the Yankee fleet!!!  It was beautiful!!

Was much fun!  I had a blast!!  <S>  CMs

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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2001, 12:03:00 AM »
LJK, with 5 Ju88s armed with torpedos found the fleet, and began a run in at 100 ft.  As we neared firing distance, we were set upon by what I'd refer to as a 'buttload' of F6Fs.  Gunners wounded some of them, but eventually we were all downed.  I believe LJKBear1 might've dropped his ordinance.

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LJKBear1
Reschke
Hazed

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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2001, 12:13:00 AM »
After taking off we circled a few times and then headed East looking for enemy shipping. We lost one on the first launch, but no one else.

After climbing to 12k we leveled out and kept heading East. A couple mentioned they were at or near 50% when flying for 20 min, but I was not too worried yet because we would be descending on the way home and the CV's were headed East also.

Cons were spotted and I made the decision to drop ordnance. I typed it in the text buffer for all do drop ordnance and not a moment later nifty spotted enemy ships. I believe I was the "only" one to drop his eggs early. Ugh! Well I head in anyway and line up on a Crusier. BB was on my six and looked good for a drop. I dove to about 6k and peeled away. BB did also.

From what I have heard about 3 ships were sunk!  :)  ! I think BB got the one he and I lined up on so I felt better about dropping my eggs early.

We then headed back to the CV after losing 2 AC who ditched in the water.  I had a successful landing and re-launched without any problem. We lost one on the landings and another on the take off.  Four Mongrels headed out looking for more ships to sink. We heard the distress calls from CV 35 and dropped our eggs, went 100% with WEP. Leveled at 20 k and came head long into a large formation of Japanese bombers! With only a few fighters it was a fighter jocks dream!  :D I went passed several bombers before I picked my target! A sudden split S put me on the long six of a bomber, but closing very rapidly! I opened up at 400 yards and saw many strikes. Pieces came off and smoke began to pour out of the right engine. I zoomed up and back for another pass. More strikes! The sky was full of enemy bombers! I had a head on with another and saw strikes. Zooming up again I was planning for several more passes like this when "CONNECTION LOST".

Unconfirmed 3 ships sunk.
Unconfirmed 6 AC lost.

Still had fun, but that was not a fun time to lose my connection.  :(
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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2001, 12:15:00 AM »
Well it was an interesting frame of the Nightmares VMF-101. We were tasked with protecting the Western Fleets so we upped 14 pilots in Hellcats out of TF39 and losted one on takeoff. We proceed to vector down to 3,17,3 and then turned back north when we heard reports of N1K2s from the 412th who were tasked with reporting the Northern Fleets.

Basically it made sense that the IJN would try to skirt our forces by swing out north and west to get around the attack forces that were hunting their own ships and trying to outflank the USN forces. So the Nightmares swung north toward sector 4,18 when we heard the reports of lone N1K2s being spotted by the 412th. We played a hunch and bet that these were scouts looking for our Northern fleets and when they found them would call in the main IJN strike force. Only reason for lone N1K2s to be so high and by themselves would be for doing such a thing.

We got up to TF35 in 4,18 in time to spot several N1K2s 1 low and 2 high. Four hellcats dropped on the low single N1K2 and whoever he was he put up a hell of a fight and ended up taking 2 Hellcats with him. Meanwhile up high we chased off the high NIK2s but lost one hellcat.

Then we spotted 5 JU88s skimming the water to the north of TF35 and we dropped en masse and attacked. We killed 4 and then some N1K2s came in and distracted us to the point that the last JU88 got close enough to draw fire from the DDs but the we dropped him before he could get his fish in the water.

So we had managed to kill 1 N1K2 and 5 JU88s for the loss of 3 Hellcats. We were now on vapors with most of down to 1/8th a tank of gas and some out of ammo. So we had no choice but to land even with reports of another IJN strike force looming neaby.

Now this is where things got funky. AKcurly said he had the fleet on a straight course but for some reason the CVs kept doing shallow turns as if they were doing evasives to avoid enemy attacks. Now its possible that the main CV (the one we spawn from) stayed under AKcurly's control since to me that one seemed to stay straight. But the other two kept doing this weaving maneuver while heading in the direction set by AKcurly.

This shallowing weaving played havoc with our squad trying to land on fumes. Instead of landing all on one CV (the 412th was landing at the same time) we decided to spread out to all three to make sure if a IJN strike force came in that we would not be all sitting on the same deck refueling. So as we came in and the CVs started weaving again (except for the main spawn one) and this caused us to suffer 4 crashes. One other pilot who was wounded managed to land before he blacked out and obviously he could not reup .. was just great that he made it wounded and blacking out.

On the main CV I came in and suffered a prop strike as well as did Fdutchm and 1ama, so we were down but could not relaunch. BFD set down and was safe and refueling and then suddenly flipped off the deck. Was the strangest thing and possibly could have been do to the CV maneuvering to avoid the IJN high level bombers at this point. Then we lost Ramesis trying to take off .. CV turned as he was launching. So only Nucks got airborne.

He did his best but by then the IJN had high level JU88s coming in and N1K2s capping TF35. The N1K2a had the alt advantage and mopped up the surviving 412th. Nucks survived up to the point where we lost our 2nd CV out of the 3 in TF35 by keeping low and in our AAA. With the lost of the 2nd CV he decided to try to break N away from the IJN before they got the third CV. A couple of N1K2s spotted him tryng to break out North and ran him down and killed him.

So in the first part of the night we did well .. then in the second part we lost the bulk of the Nightmares to either out right crashes on landing or prop strikes resulting in some cases in actual headstands do to CV maneuverings.

    14 Launched
     4 Survived
     4 KIA
     6 Crashed (1 on first hop take off)

Although it is possible that we suffered 5 KIA and only 6 crashes; I am not sure of what happened to one of my pilots (Dobe) but thought I saw him trying to land.

    Killed 1 N1K2
    Killed 5 JU88s

Well fought IJN! It was quite enjoyable.

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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2001, 12:19:00 AM »
I'm glad I was able to provide a nice gunnery training aid for the mass of Hellcats who chewed me up at 50ft.

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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2001, 12:21:00 AM »
That was you Raubvogel in that N1K2? Nice flying man .. I tasked 4 planes to go down and kill you while the other 9 stayed high. You put up a hell of a fight down there. Very nice flying.

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« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2001, 12:39:00 AM »
AK's launched a gaggle (13-15) of TBMs from TF35. The launch went smoothly and we headed southeast to search for the enemy supply convoy, confident our squad practice sessions would pay off.

We hit our designated search area and turned east, still no enemy fleet sightings reported so we decided to split up to cover a larger area.

Not long after we split up the northern most group of TBMs was attacked by N1Ks.  We lost a couple I think but our escort then drove 'em off. The flight that turned south was then jumped by N1Ks also. Not sure how many we lost but the toll was heavy.

The remaining AK's managed to escape the N1K scourge and find the enemy supply convoy. Estimated ships sunk: 7.

Was a glorious battle, S! to the IJN and Allied alike.
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« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2001, 12:45:00 AM »
Funked is wrong.  I found myself upstairs with a bunch of hellcats on my six.  Things were static, but the rest of my squad was dead or dying.  I figured I was dead after a long battle up high, or dead quickly with some kills down low.  So I dropped a bit.  Halfway down a couple kitties had closed on me, so I d-spiraled and forced them back to one mile spacing.  I then took four or five hellkitties down to the TBMs, pinged the wing of one TBM, and downed another.  Then the hellcats caught up with me.
I also checked the IJ fleets before logging.  I saw three ships missing from formation.  I also saw 2 or 3 TBMs get whacked by ack.

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« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2001, 01:19:00 AM »
MAG-33.

F6Fs out of CV 35.  Climbed to 25k in 4,18 sector to escort TBMs to A12.  Just after we met the TBMs we saw high cons coming from the east.  N1Ks.  (Funkedup's mob).

We dropped DTs (100% internal left) and engaged.  I lost an elevator about 30 seconds into the fight.  Still managed to get one.

(Funked, if it turns out to be you then I aint never gonna let you forget that ya couldnt lose an F6F with full fuel and one elevator missing).   ;)

Unfortunately the TBMs got separated from us, we had a running fight trying to keep up with the TBMs but they were just too far ahead.  

Many of us suffered some heavy damage at the hands of these N1ks.  After RTB we had only 2 flyable aircraft out of the 6 that made it back.

Further AAR notes will hafta be made by someone else cos then I hadda go to work.

 

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« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2001, 05:52:00 AM »
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Now this is where things got funky. AKcurly said he had the fleet on a straight course but for some reason the CVs kept doing shallow turns as if they were doing evasives to avoid enemy attacks. Now its possible that the main CV (the one we spawn from) stayed under AKcurly's control since to me that one seemed to stay straight. But the other two kept doing this weaving maneuver while heading in the direction set by AKcurly.
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Dunno Ghstdncr ... I cleared all way points, entered one way point and submitted.
From my perspective (from the tower), the CV straightened right out.  I don't know about the other two in the TF.

It was the first time I've seen three CVs in a TF.  Wonder if that had anything to do with it?

Your guys looked pretty shot up.  I announced maneuvers prior to Ramesis trying to T.O.  I had Ju88s dropping marshmellows.   :)

I saw BFD do the backward full-gainer. I also saw one of your guys (from my view) land below the flight deck, then a slow wing over (from a stopped position) onto the flight deck followed by a backward roll off the end of the CV.  There was some weird stuff happening.  :)

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« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2001, 06:03:00 AM »
jv44

well we ended up fly a co-mission with alot of kg200 guys in nik2s

we upped a12 headed south grabbin to 28k

cons were reportd in 4 , 18 , 9 (?) enroute we spotted another group of lower cons our 9 oclock sw of us.

Urchin and Tachel went to investgate. Last reports were thery were tbms. I sent the other nine nw to help the 308th when I spotted 7 low cons my 9 again sw.

I went alone to investigate sending our other 8 nikis ahead to help the 308th.

Is soon identified the 7 cons as tbms and killed 5(4) of umm but the last one pinged me good taking my left wing tip.

I turned over the squad to urchin and struggled bac to a12. Along the way I heard reports over the radio that our guys were massivly out numbered and all were soon ded. I dont know how our guys got.

as I reached a12 even with trim I couldnt keep the plane balanced enough to land as I opened my gear at 175 I went into a loop to the left and at first I recovered hit the ground hard sheared my gear off but then flipped a few times and exploded.

Thanx to CJ IMP AND THE KG200 GUYS...

but most of all anRky who has flown with jv44 since the first frame of the 1st tour.


and to all JV44 guys was grest fun.....

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« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2001, 06:29:00 AM »
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From my perspective (from the tower), the CV straightened right out.  I don't know about the other two in the TF.

It was the first time I've seen three CVs in a TF.  Wonder if that had anything to do with it?


Agreed some really wierd stuff was going on. The main CV seemed to behave fine to me and the guys who got down landed on it. The other CVs though kept weaving a bit so I think you are right that possibly the other two were programmed to do evasives or something when enemy was close.

As for the other wierd stuff .. yep I saw BFD down and safe and then do a backward gainer. Didn't know it also happened to some others. Very wierd but we think we have BFDs gainer on film ... will review it.

Oh, and not blaming you at all AKcurly I know you straightened out the CVs just don't know why the other two (the non spawn ones) kept behaving the way they did.

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« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2001, 08:13:00 AM »
TAS launched 5 Nik's as escort to Drill's 457th JU-88's.


Beemer went down almost immediately with a computer problem.

Sax, Milo, Yeager and Toad continued the escort, swinging North and then West with the 457th.

As we approached the USN fleet at high altitude, some enemy fighters were spotted. Yeager engaged, killing one. Toad engaged, and as multiple 20mm hit flashes were seen on the Corsair.... he got the dreaded "Host Connection Lost" message.  :(

Sax, Milo and Yeager cleaned out a bunch of USN fighters and RTB'd safely after Drill and Crew swept the seas of 3 USN CV's.

WTG 457th!

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« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2001, 11:12:00 AM »
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We got up to TF35 in 4,18 in time to spot several N1K2s 1 low and 2 high. Four hellcats dropped on the low single N1K2 and whoever he was he put up a hell of a fight and ended up taking 2 Hellcats with him. Meanwhile up high we chased off the high NIK2s but lost one hellcat.

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Wasn't sure that I got both of you, thought I snapshot the first, knew I had second one. Couldn't believe all you F6Fs followed me down low. Sweaty palms, very high heartbeat for about an hour.

These were my first rounds I fired in all three frames of this TOD. In fact first cons I've encountered.

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