Post Radar Observation

[Slade]

Hello,

Since the radar was changed back from being able to see where planes are, I am back to fly multiple sectors just to find a fight.  Sometimes I end up bailing cuz I'm outta gas looking.  With my work schedule I tend to fly in mornings to early evening EST.

Just sharing a data point.


Thanks,

Slade 

[Vraciu]

Hello,

Since the radar was changed back from being able to see where planes are, I am back to fly multiple sectors just to find a fight.  Sometimes I end up bailing cuz I'm outta gas looking.  With my work schedule I tend to fly in mornings to early evening EST.

Just sharing a data point.


Thanks,

Slade 

Same here.

[SilverZ06]

Yep. I was a huge fan of full dar.

[Zardoz]

With some modifications, I heartily agree.

[The Fugitive]

Same here, I had a blast playing for a couple weekends in a row, this weekend same old crap is back. 

[DmonSlyr]

Knowing which way the other guy is rolling is not very good for the overall MA. It could also be used for trolling players in the air. Field zone radar gives the players some opportunities to come into the attack without players be-lining it right to them off the run way.

I'd prefer enemy dots to be different colors so you could tell which team was winning the fight on the other side of the map. This would be helpful to players trying to switch to balance the fights.

Being that radar is such an important part of finding action. I do think there should be more radars to take down or make the radar as hard as a VH to take down. This way it's not the first thing everyone kamakazies to take out all of the radar dots when they attack the field.
Once the dots are gone. It's a guessing game as to where they might be in a big dar. I do think that makes it tough for new players. Especially for ones who don't understand the dar bars at first.

[Vraciu]

Knowing which way the other guy is rolling is not very good for the overall MA.

I don't see how it matters.

The expanded radar experiment facilitated fights.   As Fugi noted, we are now back to the same old crap.

I flew two sorties today and logged.   

[Ciaphas]

I don't see how it matters.

The expanded radar experiment facilitated fights.   As Fugi noted, we are now back to the same old crap.

I flew two sorties today and logged.   

+1


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[nrshida]

Same, I flew a faster plane today for the same reason as Slade.

[popeye]

Being that radar is such an important part of finding action. I do think there should be more radars to take down or make the radar as hard as a VH to take down. This way it's not the first thing everyone kamakazies to take out all of the radar dots when they attack the field.

+1

[bustr]

At a minimum, go back to dots for everything, then show all planes in flight. Raise the minimum to 200ft to offset seeing everything. GVs, I'm ambivalent about the block dar, maybe tie it to the local radar tower. None of POTW ever had problems finding and eliminating GVs before GVDAR in planes or in tanks. And, after the last two years of lurking to see how terrains are utilized, GVDAR Meh, but, all seeing radar for airplanes created fights. It also created an unwillingness to do much other than a stalled field fight.

It supported the primary need to create activity to concentrate our small numbers. It failed becasue it made the base takers not generate that kind of activity with this as a capture the flag game. Many of the average Joe customers play to be part of that activity. A 200ft minimum with all planes seen as dots at all times above it would allow the base takers to feel like they can succeed. I would go so far as recommend allowing the radar when taken down to make a radar blank spot out of it's circle while the field would still flash. Then the radar porkers would still be in business, in the open space between radar rings you still see everything going on above 200ft. Then a few field's radar taken out to hide the target and once in the ring, up from 200ft to hit the field and town.

Big bomber raids would then use your own radar against you by sending out porkers to create a blinded path that you won't know what is flashing bases along that path to the strats. The greifers would try to blind a whole country which Meh, run an M3 then adapt and hunt them. They would become obvious since the DARBAR would not be effected by any of this and going deep into enemy territory below 200ft alone, they may get one or two fields before being met with a wirble or ack gets them. This would fill the need of another type of lone wolf player whole only likes fight against feilds AI defenses to take out ord and radar. I've seen quite a few of those.


Using the plane icon instead of a dot, I watched many people turn away when someone aimed their nose at them.

[Vraciu]

...GVDAR Meh, but, all seeing radar for airplanes created fights. It also created an unwillingness to do much other than a stalled field fight.

It's not radar.  It's an INFORMATION SYSTEM.

We simply call it radar, we use our "radar" as a method to display all aircraft intelligence. We do not in any way attempt to model real radar.

HITech

GV Sentry Bars are a great tool.   No more getting sniped with gear and flaps down on short final by an unseeable WIRB for me.   

Using the plane icon instead of a dot, I watched many people turn away when someone aimed their nose at them.

Use the plane icon but have it always facing north then.

[bustr]

The terminology after 16 years is meaningless to the outcomes I've witnessed over those years if now you want to win forum purse fights over that. I see what Hitech wants to communicate and why with the current rounds of whining calling it an information system. Obviously you want the pretty little spitty icons, if they only face north that will start another whizzing fest in the forums. You are not trying to create an image of an information system that helps all of his customers and how they want to play this game balanced to all of their game play preferences. After the last two years of lurking, those player preferences are easy to see when they talk about radar or Hitech's new term: the information system. In that case a 200ft minimum shouldn't be a problem and would balance things for the capture the flag average Joe players.

[Vraciu]

The terminology after 16 years is meaningless to the outcomes I've witnessed over those years if now you want to win forum purse fights over that.

Oh here we go again..... 

Language matters.  It is not RADAR.  It is not intended to be radar.  It is intended to be an INFORMATION SYSTEM.  That is what Hitech said.   You guys who don't like "GV DAR" want to be invisible like Wonder Woman's Jet.   That's a ridiculous position to take.  You don't leave tracks.  You don't leave smoke clouds after you fire.  Your icons are invisible outside 1.5K or so (I forget the exact number).   So by all means let's eliminate the one tiny minor thing that gives us a 1/4 grid-sized idea of where you might be.  #Balanced

I see what Hitech wants to communicate and why with the current rounds of whining calling it an information system. Obviously you want the pretty little spitty icons,

Oh here we go again (again) with a volley of condescension instead of dealing with the point being made:

The icons give an idea to a noob what they are looking at.  They're nice looking.  Professional.  They make the game look better.   So to go from that to a bunch of dots is a YUGE step backwards.  PRESENTATION MATTERS.

if they only face north that will start another whizzing fest in the forums.

That seems to be YOUR goal not mine, since you just advocated for dots (which are even LESS information than an icon that only faces north).  Perhaps you want a whizzing contest over dots instead of icons?   

#Projection

You are not trying to create an image of an information system that helps all of his customers and how they want to play this game balanced to all of their game play preferences. After the last two years of lurking, those player preferences are easy to see when they talk about radar or Hitech's new term: the information system. In that case a 200ft minimum shouldn't be a problem and would balance things for the capture the flag average Joe players.

Again, sounds like you, not me, seeing as how you want GVs to be exempt from the information system display.

[Slade]

The expanded radar experiment facilitated fights.

Bingo!

For me, that is the crux of the game. 

That said, I nearly always assist my country and team when the need arises.  That is a given.