HTC must get down and dirty (IMO)

[-duma-]

I think it's mostly #2s posting here. Can't we just acknowledge Kats' idea and finish without turning it into ANOTHER WB bashing thread?

Apologies to those who made valid points.

[Dinger]

sorry tried.
Couldn't even kill Cabby's post  

Yup. Events are really needed here.  But we need more than just a mature planeset and CM tools, we need a mature community.  That is, we need a corps of folks who have been playing scenarios for some time and know what it is that makes them different from quakin' round the arena.
Hehe.  Why do you think people go proselytizing on AGW?

[Udie]

This isn't very scientific, but here is why AH is better than WB.  You never or hardly ever see kats complaining about ANYTHING!   j/k kats  Seriously though, I can't remember the last time I saw a 30mm thread from Kats, btw Kats could you post that pic of the spit that was hit with 1 30mm round?

Quoted by Ripsnort......

"Cabby, I have a AH community that takes me seriously...also have 53 members in a squadron that do too, how about you? " .....

 Oh man now I have to start taking you serious too?!?!? This is just too much!  


Cabby,

 Love your sim!  Love it well!  Your very loyal and I respect that, but you realy do remind me of the AW2 guys that would come and bash ck/wb back in 95 and 96.  Alot of whom are now flying AH I bet    This ought to get your goat too...  We avg 120-150 people in the arenas at any given time, every night now    where in 1.02 we avg'd 100-120 at any given time.  Next version we get ships    so I bet we'll be in the 150-175 range.

 We're catching up to WB and as long as HS and Jay (HS more so than Jay)  are running the show over there I have no doubt that AH will be one of the "survivors" in the online flightsim buisiness war.  Given a choise I'd rather give my money to somebody who I consider a friend, not some duche bag like Wild Bill.  

 Anyway don't get too mad at me Cabby, I bet we will be flying the same sim again one day soon  

udie

[jmccaul]

  I think this is a very good idea. People like to think their sim is closest to the "real thing" if you can show them why it isn't there is one less reason for them not to fly AH.

  Most people have opinions on FM's and most of them start "it feels" if AH could post irrefutable facts as to why their FM is better than the competition it can only help AH's marketability.

e.g. AH models twice the components WB does (i.e more wing sections etc.) - i don't know if thats true just the sort of thing i;d excpect.

[arhurb]

I don't agree, Kats. If you want to be #1 in anything, just concentrate. Don't look back. I'm not wise enough to judge wether AH's FM is better or not. I feel it is, but who knows. But I appreciate 3 things above all:

a) HTC approach to clients. Not only they are superb workers, IMO (look at the improvement path), but also have a personal touch with them (i.e., they quite regularly appear in the MA, and answer to questions)

b) I've flown WB for nearly 3 years, if my memory suits me well. Only aspects in the game I feel are somewhat better are RPS, Scenarios and Buff treatment (Norden, essentially). I am SURE, given HTC performance up to date, they will overcome these points. Dunno how, but I trust them.

c) Flat rate. If I like flight sims (I do) and flying in as close as it is possible to reality way (I do, xcept suicide missions   ), hourly rate is almost unaffordable (almoust ruined myself in WB, paying average $140 per month), just take your time to climb 20.000 in a B17!.

So, all in all, I just ask HTC don't waste a minute of their time getting down and dirty, and, instead, have all the new toys I want as soon as possible (especially navy, now we have CM)  

Cheers, and sorry for long post.

Pepino


PS.: on the Burger comparison, I would say It's more like going to Burger King with a nice, grilled, most evident T-Bone Steak.  

[Ghosth]

Just a couple of minor points to make.

A HT is putting together CM group as we speak. I expect tools will follow as the need arises for them.

B Terrain Editor is next thing to be released. It's currently in beta and will make a HUGE difference in how special events are run.

Just what events, how they will be run, and how they will compare with WB's is in many respects up to us as a community.

This and planeset are the only real area's where I see Warbirds haveing an advantage.

Otherwise, it's hands down Aces High IMHO.

[Kieren]

Kats-

Here is the problem I have; I think your idea sounds good in theory, but in practice there is so much animosity between AH/WB at the moment I don't think there would be any way way that HTC could be viewed objectively, no matter what they said.

If an individual (say, myself) was to put up a site dedicated to offering the differences between sims it might be viewed a bit more charitably. Then again, maybe it wouldn't.  

Yes, it is a pity that a useful site such as you propose probably (IMHO) wouldn't work. There are surely plenty of people out there that could use a little insight as to what they might be looking for in a sim.  

[easymo]

 HT built WB. Who is he supposed to argue with? Himself.

[Macboy]

HS fixed it.

[Kats]

I invisioned it more in this line:

Dynamic CoG: AH=Y  WB=N
Single round projectile modelling AH=Y WB=N
etc etc etc

A very matter of fact comparison. However, it seems like badger is doing the work, so this is moot  


PS, I chose WB in 1996 because a PC gaming mag said WB had a more realistic feeling FM. I have never tried AW.

[Pyro]

MG, I thought you ran home to tell your big brother on us.



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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations

"I say old boy, why don't you shut up and die like a man?"

[rosco-]

 

Originally posted by easymo:
HT built WB. Who is he supposed to argue with? Himself.

  good point.

  How he managed to get it perfect the first time around and screw things up so bad the 2nd is the big mystery to me.  

[funked]

I said "most" not "all" Cabby!    

I talked to some #3's at the WB Con but they were pretty drunk.  

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[Udie]

MacBOY,

 And who was it that went to North Carolina last summer and saved HS's sorry arse?  Pyro, HT do you guys care to answer?    

 They did some cool stuff to the game with the first 2 patches they made after imol split.  But about the 3rd patch or so they started screwing thing up and leaving them that way.

 Udie

 Oh yeah, before I forget,  GET A REAL OS!!!  

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[Sharky]

Actually Kats I put your guy #3 in with my #1.

Whether a person comes from another flight sim or this is his first experiance with sims, the guy #1 has no agenda, no axe to grind.  He plays and appreciates it for what it offers, or finds it's not for him and quietly leaves.

Sharky

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