Author Topic: HTC must get down and dirty (IMO) (Read 2429 times)

Kats · « **on:** June 27, 2000, 10:44:00 AM »

Got this off agw today:

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I went so
far as to open an account with Aces High planning to fly there alot. However the FM there is so completely different from Warbirds as to be
unplayable for me. The view system is bizarre at best and the planes seem to lose e instantaneously. They also seem to be flying through
molasses not air. A zeke in Aces High turns like a dora in Warbirds. Today I gave up and closed my Aces High account. Now I have to come
back to Warbirds with my tail between my legs to get my fix.

Instead of getting into it, I passed realizing this fellow has a valid POV. Since WB has been known and touted to have the best FM in the market over the years - what are players supposed to think when coming over to AH, finding an FM very different?

First off, they feel uncomfortable and unless they give AH time, they don't enjoy.

What would get players to give AH more than a couple of days to get used too and enjoy the FM? I believe the satisfaction of knowing that they are learning a more complex FM is the trick. Same reason why AW players came over to WB harboring the same feelings.

I think a little old fashion mud slinging/bragging is in order on the HTC web site. IE, explain the FM advantages over the competition so the new players *know* why it's different & more desirable. This will help motivate them into giving the proper amount of time to learn and get used to it.

As it is right now, we let people "off the hook" by allowing the "Ah and WB both have good FM's, but I preffer WB's" statements when it is clear that the AH FM is a much more indepth peice of work. The WB player is not the type of player who would say "AH may have a more realistic FM, but WB is simpler - so I stay there"

I don't think this type of promoting is in bad taste either. I pulled up to the Burger King window and on the sign it had a list comparing how many ounces of ketchup, mustard, lettuce, their burgers had compared to McD's. Fare game IMO, as long as you stick to the facts.

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funked · « **Reply #1 on:** June 27, 2000, 10:51:00 AM »

Nice comparison with the burgers Kats. Certainly iEN would not argue with the comparison - one of their employees told me that when I played AH at the WBCon it was like buying a McDonalds hamburger and eating it at Burger King. LOL!

-ammo- · « **Reply #2 on:** June 27, 2000, 10:53:00 AM »

Provide a link pls, I would like to read the entire thread.

Sharky · « **Reply #3 on:** June 27, 2000, 10:54:00 AM »

Sorry Kats gotta disagree,

There are two kinds of people that come to AH from WB.

1. This person comes because there is a new toy on the shelf to play with. They take it down unwarp it play with it, and because it is new and differant, they stay with it awhile to find all the neat stuff in it.

2. This person comes because they have an agenda. They have to believe that their toy is better and are going to prove it. They take the new toy off the shelf and immediatly start finding how their toy is better. They run back to their friends that still have the old toy and tell them to not bother, the new toy sux.

Your never going to change the second persons mind. The only thing that will make him play with the new toy is when all his friends are playing with it.

Sharky

Kats · « **Reply #4 on:** June 27, 2000, 10:57:00 AM »

What about person #3 sharkey?

The guy who'd looking for the highest fidelity ww2 flightsimm, but has never flown a real warbird before.

funked · « **Reply #5 on:** June 27, 2000, 10:59:00 AM »

I think most of the #3's are here.

The biggest thing missing from AH (from the perspective of the guys I talked to at the WB Con) is S3. It's going to be a while before AH can muster the planeset, terrains, CM tools, and community required to match the S3. I'm sure it will happen, but a lot of these guys will not jump ship until it does.

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Badger · « **Reply #6 on:** June 27, 2000, 10:59:00 AM »

Hi kats....<Salute>

I think there's a process in motion that will speak for itself. HTC is currently reviewing a direct comparison spreadsheet with iEN's WB, of the function/feature sets both simulations exhibit. Once HTC has signed off, it will be sent to iEN and then posted publicly.

I think it will stand alone and speak to the issues of which product uses the more accurate program code algorithms etc, to produce the most representative simulation of a real WW II aircraft flight characteristics.

Once read by the end user wishing to choose one of these products for his own entertainment, it will be up to them to make the decision of which FM they wish to experience. By the way, this comparison covers a lot more than just the FM aspects of these two simulations. It includes the gunnery and damage modeling as well.

We all know that HT has been very busy getting out v1.03r3, so I assume now that he's had some breathing room he'll be able to review this material.

Regards,
Badger

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Westy · « **Reply #7 on:** June 27, 2000, 11:01:00 AM »

DINGER!!!!!! Can you work your magic on this topic too?

Badger · « **Reply #8 on:** June 27, 2000, 11:08:00 AM »

Dinger...

Can you work your magic on Westy?

Just kidding....couldn't resist...

)

<Salute> Westy....

Ripsnort · « **Reply #9 on:** June 27, 2000, 11:11:00 AM »

What I find interesting is comments from other flight sims enthusiasts that try out AH for less than a
week, then go back to their old stomping grounds, make a post saying "FM is porked, too mushy,
etc. etc.", usually means their egos will not allow them to understand and learn a more difficult FM.

I on the other hand, fly HTH in Warbirds, and find their FM (after playing this game so long) very
arcadish, hell, my 4 year old plays relatively well on the realistic FM in WB's. He can easily land the
plane in WB's. He's trying in AH, but is kinda sloppy on the approach.

Swager · « **Reply #10 on:** June 27, 2000, 11:52:00 AM »

Rip!!

WB is easier!!??!! Great!

I'll open an account! Do they have easy mode?

I want to be able to throw my 8000 lb. fighter aircraft around in the sky like a Bud Light sports plane.

Thanks Rip!! How much does WB cost? $24.99 a month? $34.99 a month? I fly about 2 hours a night so I should get my money's worth, huh?

Cool!

Cabby · « **Reply #11 on:** June 27, 2000, 11:57:00 AM »

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"I on the other hand, fly HTH in Warbirds, and find their FM (after playing this game so long) very
arcadish, hell, my 4 year old plays relatively well on the realistic FM in WB's. He can easily land the
plane in WB's. He's trying in AH, but is kinda sloppy on the approach."

Rip:

Is it any wonder no one takes you seriously any more???

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"I think most of the #3's are here."

Funked, you know better than that. Nice to see ya at the CON, BTW!!!

Cabby

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Ripsnort · « **Reply #12 on:** June 27, 2000, 11:59:00 AM »

Cabby, I have a AH community that takes me seriously...also have 53 members in a squadron that do too, how about you?

Do you live anywhere near the NW? You're welcome to come over and watch him fly! I'll extend my hand in friendship and buy you a beer as well...btw, for a guy not interested in AH, sure see you alot here!...what's with that?

Swager, that'd cost you $120 a month at your flight time rate..hehe, see you tonight!

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Fury · « **Reply #13 on:** June 27, 2000, 12:02:00 PM »

Person #4: The guy/gal who comes to AH to try something different, and seeing that is is very different, either a) gives up and goes away, or b) says AH sucks (when in fact that may be valid for them, or maybe it's just too different than what they are used to).

Fury

popeye · « **Reply #14 on:** June 27, 2000, 12:06:00 PM »

I don't think HTC should get into a "mine is bigger than yours" fight over flight models. Why should a prospective player believe HTC?

The most convincing evidence for a superior FM has to come from a relatively neutral and respected authority. If such a person were to publish a review favorable to AH, then I think HTC should seek permission to quote it on the website.

IMO it is very important for HTC to maintain a class act with respect to the competition and to players who prefer other games. They've done a great job so far, and I would hate to see anything "down and dirty" from them.

As more of the known and respected players from other sims migrate over to AH, it will become obvious to other players that there is something here worth climbing the learning curve.

popeye