The Worst FSO that has ever came to be

[Squire]

Why no carriers? The attack on Darwin started with carrier borne Zeros followed by level bombers.

This is after the carrier raids. CVs would make no difference as the Allies would not be tasked with attacking them anyways.

The side split has the Axis with a 10 pilot advantage in the design.

Frame 1 saw 69 Axis to 87 Allied.

Showing up is their job. There is no way in Gods green world you can have this setup work with the Axis having a an 18 pilot deficit.

The absolute min # for the Axis is 67. They had 69. I cant recall another FSO frame where the turnout was that poor.

One target or two...late orders or not...7 sectors or 5. The result would be the same.

As for the one target...well there had been a lot of talk about doing that and giving both sides all these options ect with more squads to task...but this wasnt the frame for it. In any case I wanted to try it out. So much for that.

...and yes I will likely have to move a large squad to Axis this time to make this things workable.

I am very disappointed in what happened let me try and see what I can do here. 

[DubiousKB]

I am very disappointed in what happened let me try and see what I can do here.

Just do what you can. I'm sure it's like herding cats...

[Snork]

This is after the carrier raids. CVs would make no difference as the Allies would not be tasked with attacking them anyways.

The side split has the Axis with a 10 pilot advantage in the design.

Frame 1 saw 69 Axis to 87 Allied.

Showing up is their job. There is no way in Gods green world you can have this setup work with the Axis having a an 18 pilot deficit.

I didn't mean for carriers to be targets, just a way to get zeros to target sooner and have a chance to land successfully.
The absolute min # for the Axis is 67. They had 69. I cant recall another FSO frame where the turnout was that poor.

One target or two...late orders or not...7 sectors or 5. The result would be the same.

As for the one target...well there had been a lot of talk about doing that and giving both sides all these options ect with more squads to task...but this wasnt the frame for it. In any case I wanted to try it out. So much for that.

...and yes I will likely have to move a large squad to Axis this time to make this things workable.

I am very disappointed in what happened let me try and see what I can do here.

[waystin2]

Here are my observations on this frame:

1-The setup was run right behind a holiday weekend.  It should have been held off one week so everybody could catch up to what was going on.

2-The Axis orders went out the day of the event.  This always leads to poor coordination, limited options considered, and usually the straightest approach to target is the one that is chosen.  In this case it was.

3-I have never cared for the one side attacks one side defends setup.  The bombers usually get gutted by defenders because the defenders do not have to try to figure anything out.  Further there is no guarantee that everyone sees action unless everyone crashes together at the exact same spot at the same time.

4-The Allied defense plan was a good one.  The Allied squads executed perfectly.  The Axis bombers and fighters flew right into what AkWarHwk had setup and were ground to bits.

5-There are complaints about the writeup and objectives that could have been addressed ahead of lift time.

6-The Axis side if I am looking at correctly came in light with numbers.  Nothing can fix this but the squadrons themselves.

7-The Allies came in the high side of required numbers.  This just compounds the problems for the attacking side.


The Pigs have just received an email that we are now Axis for the rest of the month.  We look forward to our new job and will see you all on the skies next week.


 

Way

[Spikes]

Here are my observations on this frame:

1-The setup was run right behind a holiday weekend.  It should have been held off one week so everybody could catch up to what was going on.

2-The Axis orders went out the day of the event.  This always leads to poor coordination, limited options considered, and usually the straightest approach to target is the one that is chosen.  In this case it was.

3-I have never cared for the one side attacks one side defends setup.  The bombers usually get gutted by defenders because the defenders do not have to try to figure anything out.  Further there is no guarantee that everyone sees action unless everyone crashes together at the exact same spot at the same time.

4-The Allied defense plan was a good one.  The Allied squads executed perfectly.  The Axis bombers and fighters flew right into what AkWarHwk had setup and were ground to bits.

5-There are complaints about the writeup and objectives that could have been addressed ahead of lift time.

6-The Axis side if I am looking at correctly came in light with numbers.  Nothing can fix this but the squadrons themselves.

7-The Allies came in the high side of required numbers.  This just compounds the problems for the attacking side.


The Pigs have just received an email that we are now Axis for the rest of the month.  We look forward to our new job and will see you all on the skies next week.


 

Way

Axis orders went out late, but there was a VERY limited avenue of attack in order to make it to target on time. There weren't many options to consider unless you want to break the rules. There was no room to fly West or East or anything like that because the attack would not have gotten there by t+60. As previous posts have said, tests were run and with a STRAIGHT line to target the G4M's were to get there at t+51, and that is with limited throttling back. The orders could have come out 4 months ago and the route would have been the same. Simple math and testing would have concluded that the Allies could have went to a small area on the map and found the attack group no matter what.

The Defense plan was good, but with an extra 20 people to help with that. There were also plenty of Allies who didn't see any action at all according to the logs, because the over-abundance of pilots meant a slaughter as soon as the bombers were spotted. Not that is anyone's fault in particular...the plan worked and that is all that matters.

 

[waystin2]

Axis orders went out late, but there was a VERY limited avenue of attack in order to make it to target on time. There weren't many options to consider unless you want to break the rules. There was no room to fly West or East or anything like that because the attack would not have gotten there by t+60. As previous posts have said, tests were run and with a STRAIGHT line to target the G4M's were to get there at t+51, and that is with limited throttling back. The orders could have come out 4 months ago and the route would have been the same. Simple math and testing would have concluded that the Allies could have went to a small area on the map and found the attack group no matter what.

I hear what you are saying but don't you think one of the Axis CO's would have said something to the CM's when the objectives came out?  When I see the objectives that I am concerned about I accept them or I ask clarification questions.   The distance issue was there when we all received our objectives a week ago. Please understand my observations were never meant as a slam on anyone.  This frame was a perfect storm of ugly convergences.

[Spikes]

I hear what you are saying but don't you think one of the Axis CO's would have said something to the CM's when the objectives came out?  When I see the objectives that I am concerned about I accept them or I ask clarification questions.   The distance issue was there when we all received our objectives a week ago. Please understand my observations were never meant as a slam on anyone.  This frame was a perfect storm of ugly convergences.

No I know what you mean...me personally I opened up the objectives and saw the map and thought to myself "oh boy". I never got around to doing any time trials though, but I knew 7 sectors would be pushing it. I agree, the perfect storm.

[AKKuya]

Flying defense and being a rank and file pilot for FSO, I don't receive the objectives and full orders.  I absorb from both vox and text the fluid nature of the battle.  As an experienced bomber pilot, CIC mission planner and long time player, I have to ask these questions to the Axis side.

1) Were there any Frame night leaders to call verbal changes to the Orders due to low turnout for better opportunities of success?
2) Were there any aggressive bomber pilots that night to throw the textbook training out the window?

For obvious reasons, please don't answer those questions in the name of Axis Command Security.  Axis Squad COs know what they are doing.  Those questions were to give the audience the perspective of being given lemons.  Those lemons can be changed to sweeter things. 

For the rest reading this, I have read the OP and the responses.  There seems to be a little negativity and some anger.  This is not the worst FSO.  If it was, then both sides would have complained.  This frame was not the best for one side due to prior reasons stated.  The CM team with the agreement of the Pigs to balance out the side split. 

Let's move on and enjoy Frame 2 and 3. 

[Vraciu]

I do not bother with FSo.  Tried 3 times and they were all total crap

I've enjoyed them all.  This one was perhaps the least fun, but stuff happens.

I got an assist and it felt like a real accomplishment since I only saw two bad guys the whole frame.  It's usually much more action packed than that.

Oh well.  Next week!

[noman]

Pretty sure the Japanese General that came up with this plan has already committed Hari-Kari so as to not bring dis-honor to the Emperor or his family.

[DubiousKB]

Pretty sure the Japanese General that came up with this plan has already committed Hari-Kari so as to not bring dis-honor to the Emperor or his family.

lol, that means the allies will outnumber us again! as we all brought shame on our families! dang bug-eyed allies!

[perdue3]

Pretty sure the Japanese General that came up with this plan has already committed Hari-Kari so as to not bring dis-honor to the Emperor or his family.

We either break the T+60 rule or fly straight to target. No options.

[noman]

We either break the T+60 rule or fly straight to target. No options.

Yes it was a joke to say let's put it behind us and move on. I read all the other posts about this and realize what happened was unforeseeable (to a lowly nobody like me) and unavoidable. Just wish I could have dropped my bombs is all. Now I am just waiting to be respawned as a vengeful fighter ace that will take down many enemies for the Emperor ( May he Live forever with the Sun on his face ) 

[UncleKurt]

 

Well, All pretty much good points . Nobody should enjoy FSO as any less than a Challenge. Even difficult.. Combat does that. Balls were dropped...some picked up and made the most of in a difficult situation. Didn't we all learn from it some??
Some disappointments, some victorious ovations.. For me, I just enjoyed flyin 'round the area and watchin everybody else with nk1dog in my lap.. I enjoyed being there with you all!! Shall we adjust as indicated and try again?? Thank you all for the analysis and glorious suggestions. Banzai!!

 
 

[Chris79]

This crap is utter garbage, Pacific fso's generally suck, but this is something beyond the pale. If this were my first FSO it would also be my last.