2-Sided vs 3-Sided Arena Design

[CptTrips]

You are hardly shortening the front lines by going to a 2 sided war. Your example went from what 1.6 to 1.9? Yup, big jump there. 

With a horizontal from 1.1 to 1.9.  A significant increase, but not quite double.

But in a 2 sided war you will be forcing players to one side or the other as they log in to continually try to balance the sides.

I thought ENY was effective at moderating side imbalance?

[The Fugitive]

With a horizontal from 1.1 to 1.9.  A significant increase, but not quite double.

I thought ENY was effective at moderating side imbalance?

oh ENY does, but a team is under ENY only now and then. In a two sided war it would be under ENY almost all the time. Can you imagine the cries?  LOL!!! discuss all you want. Hitech is the only one that matters in this discussion and we all know what his views are.

[CptTrips]

oh ENY does, but a team is under ENY only now and then. In a two sided war it would be under ENY almost all the time. Can you imagine the cries?  LOL!!! discuss all you want. Hitech is the only one that matters in this discussion and we all know what his views are.

So we agree.  ENY would either encourage them to switch to the lower side, or limit their performance.  Either way.  Balance.  Exactly what it was designed to do.

[FLS]

No it wouldn't be a fair test.  You can have fun with two or three countries, a week wouldn't necessarily prove anything, but if it proved that unequal sides are worse with 2 countries it might annoy people.

[CptTrips]

No it wouldn't be a fair test.  You can have fun with two or three countries, a week wouldn't necessarily prove anything, but if it proved that unequal sides are worse with 2 countries it might annoy people.

But if it annoyed people, they would just go over to the Special Events Arena where the 3-sided war is. 

Is it a problem if it is in the Special Events Arena?  Is there some reason people couldn't click on that arena?

[FLS]

You don't know what they'd do.

[SPKmes]

any reason the two sided couldn't be in the special events arena?

[CptTrips]

You don't know what they'd do.

So, is it a problem if the 3-sided is in the Special Events Arena instead of the Main?  Is there some reason people couldn't click on that arena instead?

It's not being denied them, right?  They could choose it if they wished, right?

[CptTrips]

any reason the two sided couldn't be in the special events arena?

Only the one FLS is trying desperately to avoid admitting. 

[FLS]

Only the one FLS is trying desperately to avoid admitting. 

Did you forget I'm the one that suggested it?

So, is it a problem if the 3-sided is in the Special Events Arena instead of the Main?  Is there some reason people couldn't click on that arena instead?

It's not being denied them, right?  They could choose it if they wished, right?

You are confusing what they could do with what they would do, which is unknown. Is that disingenuous?

I'm still not clear on what you expect to gain from 2 countries.

[SPKmes]

So, is it a problem if the 3-sided is in the Special Events Arena instead of the Main?  Is there some reason people couldn't click on that arena instead?

It's not being denied them, right?  They could choose it if they wished, right?

That in itself is a problem that would get posted and moaned about.... look at when the clipboard setup changed and you didn't get directed initially to the melee arena.... people posted and complained that they needed to click a couple of extra times to get where they were going...instead of the mindless..click click click..woohoo i'm in..... first world problems man.....
when all is said and done we are just a bunch of angry old men who don't like millennials  hahahaha but like the freedoms they have managed change at the same time hating the freedom and disrespect of what that offers.

except shuffler  he likes everything...mind you he does make excessive use of that blender...not sure if that has something to do with his demeanor or not

[CptTrips]

That in itself is a problem that would get posted and moaned about.... look at when the clipboard setup changed and you didn't get directed initially to the melee arena.... people posted and complained that they needed to click a couple of extra times to get where they were going...instead of the mindless..click click click..woohoo i'm in..... first world problems man.....
when all is said and done we are just a bunch of angry old men who don't like millennials  hahahaha but like the freedoms they have managed change at the same time hating the freedom and disrespect of what that offers.

So then putting a 2-Sided in the SE might not be a good way to judge how much people like it by the traffic because, as you say, they are too lazy to move the mouse and click on a different arena?

If so, then we are in agreement.

FLS had suggested putting the 2-sided in the SE, but seemed unwilling to admit that would be an unfair test.

I proved that to him by offering the opposite conditions:  the 2-Sided in the Main and the 3-Sided in the SE.  He admitted in post #78 that wouldn't be fair, but he doesn't want to admit why.

But you are right, laziness and habit, they are just going to go to the Main,  or at least the bulk will.  And the others just follow the herd. 

So, in reality it is not fair to compare any alternative to the Main when they are running side-by-side, whether you put the 2-Sided in there or the 3-Sided.  The Main will always win no matter what you put in there.



 

[FLS]

I only suggested the SE to avoid mucking up the MA with experiments. 

[SPKmes]

Yep that is exactly what I am saying...just no so eloquently...

[guncrasher]

this whole conversation reminds me of when hitech set up the pink arena.  people would just jump to the arena with the most numbers regardless of the name.

you guys are wishing for an arena that we already have.  a 2 sided war that is almost empty every day.  if you people would only try to see if a 2 country arena would work go to the ava.  I am pretty sure they can set it up to your satisfaction.  and if enough people would go there instead of the 3 war arena  I am pretty sure that would prove that hitech was wrong. 

until that ava has more numbers than the ma all you guys area doing is beating a dead horse.  prove that a 2 country arena will work with more than arguing go there and see how many will follow you.  people here vote with their presence in which arena they would like to play.

semp