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Offline Slade

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AI Planes During Low Number Times
« on: October 31, 2018, 01:49:20 PM »
:salute Gentlemen,

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Could we please have AI planes spawn when numbers are so low that there are nearly no targets to engage ACM with?

During the day it seems near impossible to get much over 30 players showing online at one time.  Of those 30 feels like only 10 are flying.  Many times we have to fly 3+ sectors to find a fight with a good chance it will be gone by the time we get there.


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« Last Edit: October 31, 2018, 01:56:15 PM by Slade »
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Re: AI Planes During Low Number Times
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2018, 02:01:38 PM »
That AI might fail the Turing test. Better hire some "players" in some low-cost country (10 cents an hour or something) to play target drone. Make sure that their contracts forbid them to become too proficient from playing 14 hours a day, otherwise they won't be fun opponents for the median paying customer population.

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Re: AI Planes During Low Number Times
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2018, 02:22:35 PM »
ccvi,

Thank you for your post.

Was that a yes or no vote for the wish?


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Re: AI Planes During Low Number Times
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2018, 08:48:53 PM »
I know I'm not playing right now-but even in the early day- say 7am to ohh 3pm, I have never seen anybody ever fly 3 sectors to find a fight. unless they were chasing bombers. up from 1 of you're bases next to 1 of there bases and I'm sure you WILL find a fight. change sides to find a fight. I know I know 6hr side change, but if its as dead as you say it is-I can all most guarantee Bish have more people on every day. if you are a bish, change to Knight or rook, give it a shot. see how good you're countrymen are or are not.

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Re: AI Planes During Low Number Times
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2018, 08:54:48 PM »
oh and if I remember right-I read it somewhere-AI planes are more accurate then some of the best pilots.
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Re: AI Planes During Low Number Times
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2018, 09:19:49 PM »
oh and if I remember right-I read it somewhere-AI planes are more accurate then some of the best pilots.

Yes. They will also always perform at 100% max ability. And when you destroy one's wing, it will continue flying for a few moments(around 30 seconds) as if it were still attached.
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Re: AI Planes During Low Number Times
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2018, 08:13:43 PM »
yep hehe you have to be careful what you wish for.
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Re: AI Planes During Low Number Times
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2018, 05:24:43 PM »
I dont mind if the AI are harder than human targets.  I dont mind if they hurt my score.  I dont mind if they are in perk planes.  I dont mind if I get shot down by AI most of the time.  I just want something to shoot down when I login or get better trying.

I dont expect the wish to be perfect out of the gate.  As a programmer for a living, one puts out a change then naturally refines it.


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Re: AI Planes During Low Number Times
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2018, 06:08:46 PM »
a couple of years ago when we used to have the ai missions think during the conversion to ah3 I was never able to even get my sights on an ai plane.  never shot one down and I would die everytime.  you get those in the ma arena and what little players you have would quit in frustration.  I have never played another ai mission since then.  and I would rather log off than fight something i cant possible shoot down.

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Re: AI Planes During Low Number Times
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2018, 06:23:45 PM »
a couple of years ago when we used to have the ai missions think during the conversion to ah3 I was never able to even get my sights on an ai plane.  never shot one down and I would die everytime.  you get those in the ma arena and what little players you have would quit in frustration.  I have never played another ai mission since then.  and I would rather log off than fight something i cant possible shoot down.

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Bombers and goons would not be a problem.  The current fighter AI needs to be moderated. 

And it's way worse with WWI planes than WWII.  In WWII planes it's only like fighting the Arnold Terminator.  In a WWI plane it's like fighting that liquid metal futhermucker.  :O


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Re: AI Planes During Low Number Times
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2018, 06:36:05 PM »
When I beta tested the AI missions for AH3, there were times I thought I was being greifed by really hot sticks who waiting until 30 seconds from launch to enter the arena and choose the other side. One time I thought MntMan was flying one of the AI F4u while other times in an F4u on WEP the A6m could stay with me at speed until the mission ended. Same kinds of uber flight performance happened when I tested the giant ETO bomber stream mission. The AI fighters are perfect at all speeds and make no mistakes. I've never met the supposed lower end skill spectrum they could be set to. And the bomber gunners are all 999000 clones that only the AI fighters seemed good enough to evade in the intercept groups I was populated to flying axis. Who knows, being it was beta testing, Hitech probably had the AI set to BFG9000 Massacre mode. Also the AI fighters all piled on if you were in their sensor area. I think about that today and it must have been a warm up preview of the MA 3 years later since that is how we hoard fight in our furballs now.
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Re: AI Planes During Low Number Times
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2018, 07:17:43 PM »
a couple of years ago when we used to have the ai missions think during the conversion to ah3 I was never able to even get my sights on an ai plane.  never shot one down and I would die everytime.  you get those in the ma arena and what little players you have would quit in frustration.  I have never played another ai mission since then.  and I would rather log off than fight something i cant possible shoot down.


Having flown against the AI, I suspect this sentiment would reflect the views of many.  The AI planes are Really. Very. Good.

That said, there are those who likely would be enticed into an arena where the AI filled in for Absent Real People.  Scenario-type situations would be perfect.  The AvA people, Jimson in particular, worked very hard on this.  There are still bugs in the system, but there will be a day when it works.

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Re: AI Planes During Low Number Times
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2018, 10:48:45 AM »
Bombers and goons would not be a problem.  The current fighter AI needs to be moderated. 

And it's way worse with WWI planes than WWII.  In WWII planes it's only like fighting the Arnold Terminator.  In a WWI plane it's like fighting that liquid metal futhermucker.  :O

AI bombers will shred you like you weren't even there, because of the amount of guns shooting at you.
and I've never heard of there being a AI fighter in the MA/Melee arena.
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Re: AI Planes During Low Number Times
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2018, 04:34:38 PM »
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AI planes...never shot one down and I would die everytime.

I hear you.  Good point.  However, when there are less than 15 planes functionally active I say bring it!

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As a programmer for a living, one puts out a change then naturally refines it.

Who remembers Microsoft Windows 2.0? or 3.0?  I do. At 3.1 they got it "good enough" for millions of people to accept it.


So if it takes AH a few patch cycles to get it where most players are glad they are there just during low number times, why not give them a chance at it?


If this is a reasonable request please give this post a +1.


Thanks,

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Re: AI Planes During Low Number Times
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2018, 05:26:36 PM »
They should have an AI option in the matchplay...