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Re: Its time to perk the Yak3 and La7
« Reply #60 on: November 08, 2018, 09:56:50 PM »
Are the other perk planes cut off from your chart? (Too far to the right).

Yes, the F4U-4 would be found at K/D 2.4, the Me 163 at K/D 3.4, the Me 262 at 3.9 and the Tempest at 4.26  (all still K/D vs fighter exclusively)

I have to wonder though was the chog introduced before the la7? Id still think that if it was not perked the la7 would be a better overall ma fighter killer simply due to its speed and climb advantage.

F4U-C was in AH from the beginning, the La-7 was introduced in tour 14. Plane perking started in tour 16.
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Re: Its time to perk the Yak3 and La7
« Reply #61 on: November 08, 2018, 11:13:17 PM »
Yes perking the planes would make people fly a tad bit more timidly than they already do. However the plane would not see as much usage. As you can tell from the relatively low # of kills in the F4U1c compared to the Yak3, Spit16, La7, 190D,  and P51D. Even a temp isnt used as much. IE, its much less fun/harder to fight 5 Yak3s and La7s tracking you down off the base and ganging you every sortie, than it is fighting a single F4U1C.

Also, the F4U1C is much better than the La7 for a lot of reasons though it's not a plane that you can just hop in off the base and jump into furballs expecting you can escape the fight easily like a Yak3 and La7. The hispanoes are simply amazing and will destory most planes after a quick overshoot which makes it so much more deadlier than the F4U1A for that very reason. In War, the faster you can kill the guy the better, this avoids you from getting picked chasing them, which happens a lot to 50 Cal flyers like the P51 and F4u1A/D. Quick kills with 4 cannons avoids you a lot of hassle and E loss.  The Nik is much slower. Which is why it's not perked. Note how the Yak3, 190D, and La7 have cannons too. One ping is a part of your plane damaged where as 50cals don't do much unless a lot hit at the same time and place. Cannons matter!

 The D is actually my favorite F4U.
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Re: Its time to perk the Yak3 and La7
« Reply #62 on: November 09, 2018, 04:43:39 AM »
The problem with the LA-7 is that it have 3 cannons when a wast majority of them had only 2.

Perk the LA7-3 and keep the LA7-2 (2-cannons) version at ENY 5, or give them a ENY of 2.

Flying around with the rare 3 cannons version (without any weight penalty like IRL) when most had 2 cannons is stupid when you do not get any incentive to fly with less firepower at all.

Of course only 1% take the 2-cannon LA-7 version - the extra firepower  give you an extra edge, and no penalty (except some extra ammo in the  LA7-2).

It's like arming the D9 with an extra nose mounted cannon for no penalty in weight at the same ENY - or the 4-cannon Ki 84.

IF that happened it would be an forum outrage if those were introduced without penalty of some kind.
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Re: Its time to perk the Yak3 and La7
« Reply #63 on: November 10, 2018, 10:10:44 PM »
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HTC can make that happen by tweaking the ENY/perks of the Yak, spit16, La, and 190D9.

Somebody forgot to mention the P-47M and the P-51D? gosh.  :)






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Re: Its time to perk the Yak3 and La7
« Reply #64 on: November 11, 2018, 02:14:23 AM »
Thanks for the graphs Lusche, interesting as always.
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The 2018 top-10 pie chart actually looks pretty good in terms of the slices and diversity. One outstanding difference between the 2018 and 2008 charts is that the 2018 is a lot more dominated by 1945 planes. The 2008 list inclues things like the F6F, typhoon, and Seafire - by 2018 these have been replaced by (in no particular order) KI84, P47M, and Yak3.
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Re: Its time to perk the Yak3 and La7
« Reply #65 on: November 11, 2018, 06:45:20 AM »
The 2008 list inclues things like the F6F, typhoon, and Seafire - by 2018 these have been replaced by (in no particular order) KI84, P47M, and Yak3.

Two things mainly caused this:
First, there's a minor but notable decline in CV plane usage overall (indicating that CV battles aren't as numberous/long as they once used to be).
Second, within the CV fighter category itself, the F4U-D has taken a minor and the Seafire a major hit in A2A usage, the F4U-1A has taken their place in that role (F4U-4 also saw an increase).
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Re: Its time to perk the Yak3 and La7
« Reply #66 on: November 11, 2018, 08:44:58 AM »
Shame. Cv battles rule. Would be fub to see more cv vs cv action that doesnt come down to just a cruiser gun battle.

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Re: Its time to perk the Yak3 and La7
« Reply #67 on: November 11, 2018, 09:25:29 AM »
Just to clarify, with "CV battles" I actually meant any (air) combat including the use of a carrier group, not just CV vs CV action. Should have used a better term for that.
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Re: Its time to perk the Yak3 and La7
« Reply #68 on: November 11, 2018, 09:36:37 AM »
The CV battles are down because a very small group of people seem to drive all of them predictably to the nearest base with zero plan of attack where they are immediately sunk before anyone launches said carrier based planes.

The days of seeing them "pop up at HQ" or a remote rear field are gone.

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Re: Its time to perk the Yak3 and La7
« Reply #69 on: November 11, 2018, 09:51:53 AM »
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The problem with the LA-7 is that it have 3 cannons when a wast majority of them had only 2.

True,  the great majority of LA7s during WWII only had 2 cannons.
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Re: Its time to perk the Yak3 and La7
« Reply #70 on: November 12, 2018, 03:49:50 PM »
yeah it flies wonky-esp at lower speeds-flies better the faster you got but like you said its not agile even at lower speeds.

Maybe the fact that it's modelled with the wrong fuel is an issue as well?
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Re: Its time to perk the Yak3 and La7
« Reply #71 on: November 12, 2018, 09:55:38 PM »
It's a monster in the furball, but versatile it isn't. And ENY considers all aspects. For a pure furball ENY multiple adjustments would be needed.
Why is the TA152 a 10 ENY when it has less affect in the MA then the Yak3?
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Re: Its time to perk the Yak3 and La7
« Reply #72 on: November 12, 2018, 10:02:03 PM »
Why is the TA152 a 10 ENY when it has less affect in the MA then the Yak3?

Or A 190D for that matter...
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Re: Its time to perk the Yak3 and La7
« Reply #73 on: November 13, 2018, 08:48:55 AM »
the YAK 3 is not an Uber ride. Scale from 1-10

Firepower:  4
Speed:       7
Maneuverability:  6
Climb:       8
Ords:         2


Where's the Uber here? 


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Re: Its time to perk the Yak3 and La7
« Reply #74 on: November 13, 2018, 08:58:17 AM »
the YAK 3 is not an Uber ride. Scale from 1-10

Firepower:  4
Speed:       7
Maneuverability:  6
Climb:       8
Ords:         2


Where's the Uber here?

You forgot acceleration, very important to the Yak - 9
Strength of plane too - 9

I'd increase maneuverability to 8. It rolls about as good as a 109K, and it's acceleration + manuevers +size  allows it to escape almost any plane that is chasing it.. these are very important to it's success.

Note the Yak9U doesn't have this ability as easily.
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