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Offline Arlo

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Re: something doesn't add up
« Reply #60 on: December 29, 2018, 09:46:16 AM »
If your AH account goes away so should your ability to post here.

Why? There are long time members of this community that may find themselves in a position that prohibits them from maintaining activity (self included) from time to time. Do you not have friends in the community that aren't active? Wouldn't you like them to maintain some form of contact, even just to encourage them to once again play? Not every former active account holder is a spoiler or maintains some sort of odd grudge.

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Re: something doesn't add up
« Reply #61 on: December 29, 2018, 09:50:54 AM »
Why? There are long time members of this community that may find themselves in a position that prohibits them from maintaining activity (self included) from time to time. Do you not have friends in the community that aren't active? Wouldn't you like them to maintain some form of contact, even just to encourage them to once again play? Not every former active account holder is a spoiler or maintains some sort of odd grudge.

This is true and sometimes they need help. If we can't communicate with them, we can't help.
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Re: something doesn't add up
« Reply #62 on: December 29, 2018, 09:54:55 AM »
Personal ENY. The more kills a player gets in a specific plane the lower the ENY for that plane for that player drops.

So I have to fly 5 ENY P-40s? 

What about this?

Dynamic ENY. The more people flying a plane the lower the ENY for that plane gets.

This would limit the number of the more popular planes and get people flying some of the planes that are hardly ever seen.

Seems to make more sense to me then arguing over some arbitrary number assigned to a plane that could be skewed in k/d by it being popular with better or worse pilots.

That might actually work.  But when are the adjustments made, daily, monthly?


The f4u4 or p51 or spit 16 or n1k1 arent the best in any category either...

The ki43 may be the best turner, the k4 the best climber, the 190 fastest rolling, me410 best gun package. Those planes just arent as well balanced.

Exactly.  And how much can the results be argued?  The Yak-3 is very popular and very successful - but for some reason is not rated with it's peers.
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Re: something doesn't add up
« Reply #63 on: December 29, 2018, 10:08:37 AM »
Caldera i agree with you completely. Whats your in game id?

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Re: something doesn't add up
« Reply #64 on: December 29, 2018, 10:11:37 AM »
Caldera i agree with you completely. Whats your in game id?

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« Last Edit: December 29, 2018, 10:13:53 AM by caldera »
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Re: something doesn't add up
« Reply #65 on: December 29, 2018, 03:40:45 PM »
Correction, it is not the best in ANY category - that is speed/climb/range/roll/ord/and turn rates.  The La7 is faster and has 3 x 20mm cannons, the Niki has 4 x 20mm cannons and both can carry bombs. And the performance of the yak drops off severely over 10k.
I wish HTC could pull the altitude of every air to air kill, I bet 90% are below 10K...so it's performance dropoff doesn't matter in the MA, also your right it's not the best in anything...like I said...but it is good in almost every category except guns.
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Re: something doesn't add up
« Reply #66 on: December 30, 2018, 01:10:55 AM »
The only thing that truly bothers me is it’s damn near indestructible. I can live with all of it’s amazing attributes (small, instant acceleration, good turn, infinite climb).  But the fact that it takes near as much punishment as a B-17 bugs the hell out of me. Frustrating as hell to finally get the upper hand on the uber little turd bucket, turn it white with hit sprites, only to watch it fly away as if I was shooting marshmallows.
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Re: something doesn't add up
« Reply #67 on: December 30, 2018, 04:26:08 AM »
Try with frozen marshmallows (https://aviationhumor.net/nasa-damage-testing/).

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Re: something doesn't add up
« Reply #68 on: December 30, 2018, 10:10:39 AM »
The only thing that truly bothers me is it’s damn near indestructible. I can live with all of it’s amazing attributes (small, instant acceleration, good turn, infinite climb).  But the fact that it takes near as much punishment as a B-17 bugs the hell out of me. Frustrating as hell to finally get the upper hand on the uber little turd bucket, turn it white with hit sprites, only to watch it fly away as if I was shooting marshmallows.

The damage model is very suspect for a plane with a modest compliment of armor and light weight.

That perhaps explains much of the Yak's high K/D: it can take a full broadside and then turn the tables and blow you out of the sky.

I can't think of another plane that has the Yak-3's combination of elusiveness and damage resistance, not even the B-239 (even though it is silly to have that virtually un-armored plane - and without self-sealing fuel tanks - and damage resistance mentioned in the same breath).  Then add in the climb, turn, acceleration and nose mounted guns and it is the very definition of Late War Monster.


Ask yourselves an honest question: would you rather face a Yak-3 or a Spit XVI?  If you hesitate for even a second to answer, the Yak's ENY is wrong.
« Last Edit: December 30, 2018, 10:27:52 AM by caldera »
"Then out spake brave Horatius, the Captain of the gate:
 To every man upon this earth, death cometh soon or late.
 And how can man die better, than facing fearful odds.
 For the ashes of his fathers and the temples of his Gods."

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Re: something doesn't add up
« Reply #69 on: December 30, 2018, 11:01:19 AM »
The b239 had more pilot armor than the buffalo.
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Re: something doesn't add up
« Reply #70 on: December 30, 2018, 04:37:30 PM »
Hazzmatt almost had it:

Eny should be a variable market based on sorties divided by K/D in that plane per month overall. This would naturally create a balanced ENY. Bombers would be scored on Damage/death/sortie.

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Re: something doesn't add up
« Reply #71 on: January 01, 2019, 10:54:31 PM »
I think ENY 10 is probably closer to the truth. No DT, no gondolas, no bombs, and limited ammo keeps it from being less than that imho. It's going to be higher than 5...but not by that much. I agree 18 is too high.
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Re: something doesn't add up
« Reply #72 on: January 02, 2019, 12:02:31 AM »
Hazzmatt almost had it:

Eny should be a variable market based on sorties divided by K/D in that plane per month overall. This would naturally create a balanced ENY. Bombers would be scored on Damage/death/sortie.

I'd be curious to see a ranking of total kills/k:d

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Re: something doesn't add up
« Reply #73 on: January 02, 2019, 12:07:25 AM »
This could make planning missions more difficult for one and since missions have seemingly become extremely rare, I don`t think running them should be made even more complicated. Also some fly long and careful thus occupying one plane for a longer time and would make it less available for others so to speak.

Maybe make mission planes to not be effected by ENY.  Might be a good way to get more people in them.  I see a lot of of complaints of no missions anymore.  Want your low ENY value plane?  Gotta fly a mission if the ENY is denying you otherwise.

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Re: something doesn't add up
« Reply #74 on: January 02, 2019, 12:10:35 AM »
Well people would just create single man missions to get their plane.

I think ENY is a good thing but the values need to be reevaluated.