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[Vraciu]

See rule #4

[Busher]

Zimme said "Sully could have made it to the runway if he had made perfect decisions, but noone does that in an emergency."

Now I know your a complete moron who has never flown an airplane and who did not read the NTSB report of Sully's accident in detail.

Sadly opinions like yours combined with media hype almost guarantees that the truth of what happened here will never come to light.
You are a poster boy for the Dunning-Kruger effect. Look it up and learn at least something.

[ACE]

Ace don’t be an idiot

Never would be. You can downplay it all you want toad. The plane has issues. Life threating issues. Just because it hasn’t happened here doesn’t mean it can’t, god forbid.

Some of you guys have issues with people having opinions on your profession, it’s weird really. It’s not like we are coming for boeings head they just need to fix the issue which they are CLEARLY doing because it’s grounded and being worked on..

[ACE]

Zimme said "Sully could have made it to the runway if he had made perfect decisions, but noone does that in an emergency."

Now I know your a complete moron who has never flown an airplane.

You’d be wrong, again.

[Vraciu]

Zimme said "Sully could have made it to the runway if he had made perfect decisions, but noone does that in an emergency."

Now I know your a complete moron who has never flown an airplane and who did not read the NTSB report of Sully's accident in detail.

Sadly opinions like yours combined with media hype almost guarantees that the truth of what happened here will never come to light.
You are a poster boy for the Dunning-Kruger effect. Look it up and learn at least something.

Well said.   At some point feeding these trolls becomes counterproductive.   Let them wallow in their ignorance.   They won’t listen to you any way. 

[Zimme83]

Zimme said "Sully could have made it to the runway if he had made perfect decisions, but noone does that in an emergency."

Now I know your a complete moron who has never flown an airplane and who did not read the NTSB report of Sully's accident in detail.

Sadly opinions like yours combined with media hype almost guarantees that the truth of what happened here will never come to light.
You are a poster boy for the Dunning-Kruger effect. Look it up and learn at least something.

1.) that obviously flew  over your head...
Point was that even if the ET crew in theory could have saved the plane if they had made all the right decisions it doesnt seems likely that they could do it in reality because they had too much working against them.
As for Sully: only an idiot would blame him for not saving the plane because he in theory could have. He made the right choose and went for a landing spot he knew he could reach..

And you are also wrong: i have flown an aircraft...

I am also pretty much the only one that have used any kind of sources to support my opinions, but unsurprisingly noone seems to read them.

[bustr]

How long does anyone think it will be before the investigations can determine if it was the MCAS, hardware, or low time pilot inexperience caused these accidents?

As this discussion has run on, and the first report analysis presented here, I think knowing the real problem has a very heavy potential effect on the future of commercial aviation and people carriers. I don't want to see this one swept under the industry carpet becasue the idea our current generation of pilots may not be up to the job is not very palatable. I remember reading reports that the airlines wanted to know starting with that horrible 747 runway crash in the 70's if it will be possible to replace pilots with AI.

[Puma44]

This thread is rapidly becoming INflamed.  Another one about to bite the dust, Stab Cutout Switches or not.

[Puma44]

How long does anyone think it will be before the investigations can determine if it was the MCAS, hardware, or low time pilot inexperience caused these accidents?

My guess would be that the investigators with all the facts already know what caused both Max accidents.  But, for a variety of reasons (saving face being one) are keeping it close hold until.....

[Busher]

Never would be. You can downplay it all you want toad. The plane has issues. Life threating issues. Just because it hasn’t happened here doesn’t mean it can’t, god forbid.

Some of you guys have issues with people having opinions on your profession, it’s weird really. It’s not like we are coming for boeings head they just need to fix the issue which they are CLEARLY doing because it’s grounded and being worked on..

What makes you think you are capable of forming an intelligent opinion on our profession? Because the news said the airplane has issues? They have no experience flying jet transports either.
You have no idea what goes into operating a jet in normal operations let alone emergency situations.
But you have an opinion because the 1st amendment gives you the right to have one? I defend that right.
But for one second can you possibly consider (just consider not necessarily accept) that pilot experience or poor maintenance (I previously pointed out the pitot/static unresolved snags) played a role in this accident?

[Zimme83]

There is nothing suggesting anything about crew training being an issue at this point so its more part of a broader debate on pilot proficiency. 

[Busher]

Zimme said "And you are also wrong: i have flown an aircraft... "

I apologise for my error. May I ask what jet transports you have flown?

[FLS]

There is nothing suggesting anything about crew training being an issue at this point so its more part of a broader debate on pilot proficiency.

Nothing except the two crashes.

[Zimme83]

Zimme said "And you are also wrong: i have flown an aircraft... "

I apologise for my error. May I ask what jet transports you have flown?

You may ask.

[Vraciu]

You may ask.

Answer: All of them (in Coach).