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[Puma44]

Is there a publicly accessible database of incidents where you might find this information?

Unknown.  Surely there’s a google aviation expert who can come up with the info.

[Vraciu]

Africa is where airplanes go to die.   Maintenance there is infamously poor—which is why any airplane registered as, say, 5N (Nigeria) immediately loses 80% of its value.

Since certain people insist on obliterating my points out of spite I'll quote it and see if it gets noticed this time.   

[ACE]

Unknown.  Surely there’s a google aviation expert who can come up with the info.

I’m sure there is one

[Busher]

I found this list of accidents and incidents at Lion Air. The airline commenced operations in 2000.

1: On 14 January 2002, Lion Air Flight 386, a Boeing 737-200 crashed after trying to take-off with an incorrect flap configuration at Sultan Syarif Kasim II International Airport. Everyone on board survived but the aircraft was written off.
2:On 30 November 2004, Lion Air Flight 583, a McDonnell Douglas MD-82, crashed in Surakarta with registration PK-LMN (c/n 49189); 25 people died.
3: On 4 March 2006, Lion Air Flight 8987, a McDonnell Douglas MD-82, crashed after landing at Juanda International Airport Reverse thrust was used during landing, although the left thrust reverser was stated to be out of service. This caused the aircraft to veer to the right and skid off the runway, coming to rest about 7,000 feet (2,100 m) from the approach end of the runway. There were no fatalities, but the aircraft was badly damaged and later written off.
4: On 24 December 2006, Lion Air Flight 792, a Boeing 737-400, landed with an incorrect flap configuration and was not aligned with the runway. The aircraft landed hard and skidded along the runway causing the right main landing gear to detach, the left gear to protrude through the wing and some of the aircraft fuselage to be wrinkled. There were no fatalities, but the aircraft was written off.
5: On 9 March 2009, Lion Air Flight 793, a McDonnell Douglas MD-90-30 (registration PK-LIL) ran off the runway at Soekarno–Hatta International Airport. No-one was injured.
6: On 2 November 2010, Lion Air Flight 712, a Boeing 737-400 (registration PK-LIQ) overran the runway on landing at Supadio Airport, Pontianak, coming to rest on its belly and sustaining damage to its nose gear. All 174 passengers and crew evacuated by the emergency slides, with few injuries.
7: On 13 April 2013, Lion Air Flight 904, a Boeing 737-800 (registration PK-LKS; c/n 38728) from Bandung to Denpasar with 108 people on board, crashed into the water near Ngurah Rai International Airport while attempting to land. The aircraft's fuselage broke into two parts. While Indonesian officials reported the aircraft crashed short of the runway, reporters and photographers from Reuters and the Associated Press indicated that the aircraft overshot the runway. All passengers and crew were evacuated from the aircraft and there were no fatalities.
8: On 6 August 2013, Lion Air Flight 892, a Boeing 737-800 (registration PK-LKH; c/n 37297) from Makassar to Gorontalo with 117 passengers and crew on board, hit a cow while landing at Jalaluddin Airport and veered off the runway. There were no injuries.
9: On 1 February 2014, Lion Air Flight 361, a Boeing 737-900ER (registration PK-LFH; c/n 35710), from Balikpapan Sultan Aji Muhammad Sulaiman Airport to Ngurah Rai International Airport in Denpasar via Juanda International Airport in Surabaya, with 222 passengers and crew on board, landed hard and bounced four times on the runway, causing a tail strike and substantial damage to the aircraft. There were no fatalities, but two passengers were seriously injured and three others had minor injuries.
10: On 20 February 2016, Lion Air Flight 263 from Balikpapan Sultan Aji Muhammad Sulaiman Airport to Juanda International Airport in Surabaya overran the runway on landing, with no injuries. The National Transportation Safety Committee investigation into the incident found that failures in crew resource management led to improper landing procedures, and recommended that Indonesian airlines improve pilot training.
11: On 29 April 2018, Lion Air Flight 892, a 737-800 (registration PK-LOO), made a runway excursion at Jalaluddin Airport after landing under heavy rain conditions, resulting in the main nose gear to collapse. There were no fatalities.
12: On 29 October 2018, Lion Air Flight 610, a Boeing 737 MAX 8, crashed in the Java Sea 12 minutes after takeoff from Jakarta, killing all 189 people on board.

I wonder why the airplanes weren't to blame in the first 11.

[Vraciu]

I found this list of accidents and incidents at Lion Air. The airline commenced operations in 2000.

1: On 14 January 2002, Lion Air Flight 386, a Boeing 737-200 crashed after trying to take-off with an incorrect flap configuration at Sultan Syarif Kasim II International Airport. Everyone on board survived but the aircraft was written off.
2:On 30 November 2004, Lion Air Flight 583, a McDonnell Douglas MD-82, crashed in Surakarta with registration PK-LMN (c/n 49189); 25 people died.
3: On 4 March 2006, Lion Air Flight 8987, a McDonnell Douglas MD-82, crashed after landing at Juanda International Airport Reverse thrust was used during landing, although the left thrust reverser was stated to be out of service. This caused the aircraft to veer to the right and skid off the runway, coming to rest about 7,000 feet (2,100 m) from the approach end of the runway. There were no fatalities, but the aircraft was badly damaged and later written off.
4: On 24 December 2006, Lion Air Flight 792, a Boeing 737-400, landed with an incorrect flap configuration and was not aligned with the runway. The aircraft landed hard and skidded along the runway causing the right main landing gear to detach, the left gear to protrude through the wing and some of the aircraft fuselage to be wrinkled. There were no fatalities, but the aircraft was written off.
5: On 9 March 2009, Lion Air Flight 793, a McDonnell Douglas MD-90-30 (registration PK-LIL) ran off the runway at Soekarno–Hatta International Airport. No-one was injured.
6: On 2 November 2010, Lion Air Flight 712, a Boeing 737-400 (registration PK-LIQ) overran the runway on landing at Supadio Airport, Pontianak, coming to rest on its belly and sustaining damage to its nose gear. All 174 passengers and crew evacuated by the emergency slides, with few injuries.
7: On 13 April 2013, Lion Air Flight 904, a Boeing 737-800 (registration PK-LKS; c/n 38728) from Bandung to Denpasar with 108 people on board, crashed into the water near Ngurah Rai International Airport while attempting to land. The aircraft's fuselage broke into two parts. While Indonesian officials reported the aircraft crashed short of the runway, reporters and photographers from Reuters and the Associated Press indicated that the aircraft overshot the runway. All passengers and crew were evacuated from the aircraft and there were no fatalities.
8: On 6 August 2013, Lion Air Flight 892, a Boeing 737-800 (registration PK-LKH; c/n 37297) from Makassar to Gorontalo with 117 passengers and crew on board, hit a cow while landing at Jalaluddin Airport and veered off the runway. There were no injuries.
9: On 1 February 2014, Lion Air Flight 361, a Boeing 737-900ER (registration PK-LFH; c/n 35710), from Balikpapan Sultan Aji Muhammad Sulaiman Airport to Ngurah Rai International Airport in Denpasar via Juanda International Airport in Surabaya, with 222 passengers and crew on board, landed hard and bounced four times on the runway, causing a tail strike and substantial damage to the aircraft. There were no fatalities, but two passengers were seriously injured and three others had minor injuries.
10: On 20 February 2016, Lion Air Flight 263 from Balikpapan Sultan Aji Muhammad Sulaiman Airport to Juanda International Airport in Surabaya overran the runway on landing, with no injuries. The National Transportation Safety Committee investigation into the incident found that failures in crew resource management led to improper landing procedures, and recommended that Indonesian airlines improve pilot training.
11: On 29 April 2018, Lion Air Flight 892, a 737-800 (registration PK-LOO), made a runway excursion at Jalaluddin Airport after landing under heavy rain conditions, resulting in the main nose gear to collapse. There were no fatalities.
12: On 29 October 2018, Lion Air Flight 610, a Boeing 737 MAX 8, crashed in the Java Sea 12 minutes after takeoff from Jakarta, killing all 189 people on board.

I wonder why the airplanes weren't to blame in the first 11.

Because....because.......raci sm and stuff! 

[Shuffler]

What a terrible flight record.

[Vraciu]

What a terrible flight record.

What are you a racisssssss?   /sarc

[eagl]

Africa is where airplanes go to die.   Maintenance there is infamously poor—which is why any airplane registered as, say, 5N (Nigeria) immediately loses 80% of its value.

I think SWA has picked up a handful of gently used 737s "over there"   Dunno about factory warranty but refurb 737s can be HOT if they can be converted to SWA standard.

[Shuffler]

What are you a racisssssss?   /sarc

Would a plane be considered airworthy in the US if a thrust reverser was inoperative?

[Arlo]

Would a plane be considered airworthy in the US if a thrust reverser was inoperative?

V's just jonesing for attention. 

[Puma44]

Would a plane be considered airworthy in the US if a thrust reverser was inoperative?

Yes.  It would be properly MELed and flown as such.  I’ve flown numerous one TR jets.  Landing requires basic Pilot 101 skill. 

[FLS]

That's a lot of software issues. My favorite is #8.

[Vraciu]

Would a plane be considered airworthy in the US if a thrust reverser was inoperative?

Yes.   So long as it is deferrable under the MMEL/MEL. 

Embraer built some ERJs without reversers to reduce weight.   This saved European operators money on landing fees.    When we brought them to the US (the company got them cheap) they were a PITA because the CG was well forward compared to our regular jets.   If we didn’t have enough bags we wound up leaving people at the gate. 

Also, landing performance is not predicated in the use of reversers—unless you’re Southwest, which I heard was able to get a waiver to use them in calculations.    This supposedly went away after the Midway overrun.   Again, probably some half-truths in this story but that’s what I’ve heard around the cracker barrel. 

[Vraciu]

I think SWA has picked up a handful of gently used 737s "over there"   Dunno about factory warranty but refurb 737s can be HOT if they can be converted to SWA standard.

Really?


Oh man.  Well, SWA got them on the cheap if this is true.   

There are plenty of them sitting in the grass all over Nigeria.   I know that much. 

Many jets over there are not registered in Africa.  They use M and T7 among others to conceal their true ownership. 

[Vraciu]

V's just jonesing for attention. 

Damn right.  “I don’t get no respect!”