Bf 110 G-2/R4

[Chris79]

Bf 110 G-2/R4, had 1 3.7cm Bordkanone and 2 Mk108 3.0cm cannons. I figure it would be a handy tool for GV removal.

[morfiend]

Ive asked for the 3.7 on the G2 and the Mk101 on the C4 for years!

 Imagine 66 rounds of the 37mm barking!!!




   

[BuckShot]

+1

[bustr]

Ask for the Hs 129 with Mk101\103 and BK 7,5. The squadron flying these were specifically killing Russian tanks.

The Me110 with Bk 3,7 was used to attack bombers, which made it fighter fodder and a ground attacker. It didn't fire tungsten carbide core rounds like the Mk101\103 while the BK 7,5 round at 1000m shattered the armor of most Russian tanks. The Ju87 G2 more often attacked ground targets while destroying tanks with MK101\103 and BK 3,7 firing tungsten carbide core rounds required shooting 100m and closer. FW groups discovered firing rockets at sub 100m at grass top level would kill tanks. It worked exceptionally well for the Hs 129 which killed all of the common Russian tank types at sub 100m but, the highest casualty rate for Hs 129 was from hitting the tanks on pull up. One Hs 129 pilot flew his plane down a street at ground level with only a few feet of clearance for his wingtips to sneak up behind a Russian tank to kill it.

HS 129 Panzerjeager is a good resource about antitank aircraft units on the eastern front, the Me110 was never used in that role. The Hs 129 and Ju87 G2 were supposed to be replaced by FW using rockets on the eastern front. By the end only a single Hs 129 unit was in action with FW units the primary tank attackers. In our game good luck trying to get sub 100 to our T34\85 since they are their own single shot 85mm wirble. The few times in the Ju87 I have pulled it off, the T34 was popped with a single shot from 70yds or closer.

[morfiend]

Bustr,

 I never said the 110 was used to ground pound,although I suppose it could be.The way HTC models the ammo I dont see a reason why it wouldnt work but I was thinking more of just adding the weapons as an option in the loadouts and let the players use it as they see fit.

  Personally it would be nice to have the ammo load,66 rounds of 37mm would make a good stand off buff attacker.


 YMMV.




   

[Vulcan]

Bf 110 G-2/R4, had 1 3.7cm Bordkanone and 2 Mk108 3.0cm cannons. I figure it would be a handy tool for GV removal.

We already have the Yak-9T and hardly anyone uses that for anti-gv.

[Devil 505]

We already have the Yak-9T and hardly anyone uses that for anti-gv.

That's because the Yak-9T is not an anti-tank aircraft.

[Volron]

That's because the Yak-9T is not an anti-tank aircraft.

^This.

While she can be used for anti-tank work, she's very tricky.  If you do not set up properly based on what you are attacking, you are going to be wasting time, more so than with other a/c.

[save]

The mk108 used only minengeschoss since it was a bomber killer.

[Vulcan]

That's because the Yak-9T is not an anti-tank aircraft.

Says who?

The Yak-9 had a lowered rear fuselage decking and all-around vision canopy. Its lighter metal longerons gave the new fighter a potential to increase fuel load and armament that previous models with wooden airframe had lacked.[1] The maneuverable, high-speed at low/medium altitudes and easy to control Yak-9 was one of the best and the most mass-produced Soviet fighter of World War II. It was produced in different variants including the Yak-9T with the 37 mm and the "large-calibre" Yak-9K with the 45 mm cannon firing through propeller hub to be effectively used against enemy tanks and aircraft.....

Yak-9T
Yak-9 armed with a 37 mm Nudelman-Suranov NS-37 cannon with 30 rounds instead of the 20 mm ShVAK, cockpit moved 0.4 m (1 ft 3 in) back to compensate for the heavier nose. Initially poor quality control led to multiple oil and coolant leaks from cannon recoil. Recoil and limited supply of ammunition required accurate aiming and two-three round bursts. Yak-9T was widely used against enemy shipping on the Black Sea and against tanks (the cannon could penetrate up to 30 mm armor from 500 m), but was also successful against aircraft with a single cannon hit usually sufficient to tear apart the target. Virage (constant altitude and velocity turn) time: 18–19 seconds. 2748 were produced

[Vulcan]

^This.

While she can be used for anti-tank work, she's very tricky.  If you do not set up properly based on what you are attacking, you are going to be wasting time, more so than with other a/c.

I find the 9T more effective than the IL2 as it's far easier to track the tank for an attack with the uncluttered view, and the centerline firing allows for a much more accurate.

I don't get huge amounts of time to play but here's my tank kills...

Dec
LVTA4   1   1.515
M-16   2   3.030
M-3   4   6.061
Ostwind   1   1.515
Panther G   1   1.515
Panzer IV H   5   7.576
T-34/85   7   10.606
Wirbelwind   10   15.152


Jan
Jeep   4   4.878
M-16   6   7.317
M-3   10   12.195
M4A3(75)   2   2.439
M4A3(76)W   1   1.220
Panther G   1   1.220
Panzer IV H   4   4.878
T-34/85   3   3.659

Feb
Jeep   2   4.348
M-3   1   2.174
M-8   1   2.174
Panzer IV H   3   6.522
T-34/85   5   10.870
Tiger I   1   2.174

Mar
Jeep   3   4.688
M-18   2   3.125
M-3   5   7.812
M4A3(75)   1   1.562
M4A3(76)W   1   1.562
Ostwind   1   1.562
Panther G   1   1.562
T-34/85   6   9.375
Wirbelwind   7   10.938

Apr
M-3   5   7.937
M4A3(75)   2   3.175
Panther G   1   1.587
Panzer IV F   1   1.587
Panzer IV H   3   4.762
T-34/76   1   1.587
T-34/85   1   1.587
Wirbelwind   3   4.762

Typically my GV kills represent around 1/3rd of my kills in the 9T.

So I beg to disagree.

Also feel free to ask dedicated tankers like DR7, 8thJinx and his crew. I will often work in conjunction with the ground guys.

[Vulcan]

The mk108 used only minengeschoss since it was a bomber killer.

I vaguely remember years ago somewhere it was mentioned the 37mm on the 9T uses AP, and only P-39 it was HE. I have not been able to replicate the penetrations I get on the 9T with the P-39.

[waystin2]

I find the 9T more effective than the IL2 as it's far easier to track the tank for an attack with the uncluttered view, and the centerline firing allows for a much more accurate.

I don't get huge amounts of time to play but here's my tank kills...

Dec
LVTA4   1   1.515
M-16   2   3.030
M-3   4   6.061
Ostwind   1   1.515
Panther G   1   1.515
Panzer IV H   5   7.576
T-34/85   7   10.606
Wirbelwind   10   15.152


Jan
Jeep   4   4.878
M-16   6   7.317
M-3   10   12.195
M4A3(75)   2   2.439
M4A3(76)W   1   1.220
Panther G   1   1.220
Panzer IV H   4   4.878
T-34/85   3   3.659

Feb
Jeep   2   4.348
M-3   1   2.174
M-8   1   2.174
Panzer IV H   3   6.522
T-34/85   5   10.870
Tiger I   1   2.174

Mar
Jeep   3   4.688
M-18   2   3.125
M-3   5   7.812
M4A3(75)   1   1.562
M4A3(76)W   1   1.562
Ostwind   1   1.562
Panther G   1   1.562
T-34/85   6   9.375
Wirbelwind   7   10.938

Apr
M-3   5   7.937
M4A3(75)   2   3.175
Panther G   1   1.587
Panzer IV F   1   1.587
Panzer IV H   3   4.762
T-34/76   1   1.587
T-34/85   1   1.587
Wirbelwind   3   4.762

Typically my GV kills represent around 1/3rd of my kills in the 9T.

So I beg to disagree.

Also feel free to ask dedicated tankers like DR7, 8thJinx and his crew. I will often work in conjunction with the ground guys.

I fly and fight the T model tons and I'll venture to say the kills on anything above the Panzer's armor level are the result of someone else's weapons not the T's 37MM.  It just does not have the killing power to destroy a Panther or 76 or 85 model level T34, let a lone Tiger.  It will eat light armor vehicles for lunch for sure.  You can get a lot of those same strafe kills in a Niki or other cannon armed aircraft.

[Lusche]

In AH II, I spent a full afternoon offline testing the Yak's 37mm vs the Il-2 37mm.

I found that I needed way more registered hits to the same places to have any effect (if at all) on tanks. The Yak did good against light top armor (for example the Hetzer), but largely failed to penetrate tanks which were simply chewed up by a similar amount of hits by the IL-2.

I found this matching my online xperiences (for a time I used the Yak-9t to hunt Hetzers and similar vehicles in Crater's tank town)

[Vulcan]

I fly and fight the T model tons and I'll venture to say the kills on anything above the Panzer's armor level are the result of someone else's weapons not the T's 37MM.  It just does not have the killing power to destroy a Panther or 76 or 85 model level T34, let a lone Tiger.  It will eat light armor vehicles for lunch for sure.  You can get a lot of those same strafe kills in a Niki or other cannon armed aircraft.

Nope, the bulk are me only. Occasionally I will turret the bigger stuff and another player will finish them off because the smoke gives them away. Panzers are easy, anywhere on top tends to work. T-34s needs to be the top of the turret which is a small target, if you smoke the turret then a 2nd shot finishes it off (include the /85). Panthers and Tigers are the same. The M4 is the hardest work due to it's small turret.

The roof armour on the turret of the tiger 1 is 25mm. The NS-37 is rated to 30mm at 500m.  Yes it is a tricky shot, but it can be done. But you are quite wrong to claim it does not have the killing power. I can absolutely assure you the Tiger kill was all by myself (no friendly tanks close to the tiger at the time).