Guns and Cops... and balls of steel

[Arlo]

In US, some 37,000 people die in car accidents every year. I don't think extra laws would change that.

Ah, but we're talking about the same type of regulation being applied to gun ownership. Not 'extra.' We are reminded, regularly, how many lives seat belt laws save. A fair number of lives may well have been saved by suspending the licenses of habitual drunk drivers.

[Shuffler]

You're better at being the thought police than most, then. Even with Bighorn's assurance that there are already laws in place to stop and inspect such weapons seen in the open, I've seen too many open carry 'protests' without such. The weapon of choice, time and again for mass shooting, is the AR-15. A semi-auto AK (47 or 74) qualifies, as well.

So, we're all law-abiding types on this forum. 'A well regulated militia' (gun owners dealing with reasonable regulation - be it licensing, regular qualification, background checks, etc .) should not be a problem. People unwilling to comply with such, be it due to criminal intent or irresponsible behavior, would indeed find this law inconvenient (just like people who drive drunk or without insurance or without annual registration or inspection or a valid driver's license - it applies to those following the code and those not).

You seem stuck on AR 15. That says enough about your arguement or lack thereof.

In the end I will say again..... I am free to carry an d protect, you are free not to.

[Arlo]

You seem stuck on AR 15. That says enough about your arguement or lack thereof.

The mass shooters are stuck on AR 15. That's the meat of the argument or "lack thereof." Free to die at their preference of method is kinda limited.

[bustr]

I live in Billy Joe Jim Bob central. 

And I remember after a new member of POTW who was an active Tennessee Deputy Sheriff who had mustered out of the MP's and could only find that job. Suddenly canceled his squad membership with no notice. Then on range later I heard him telling players he cut POTW loose becasue he has to deal with stupid Tennessee "bubbas" all day long and POTW had too many bubba talking members for him to stomach hearing them talk. Best I could tell we had no weirdo's who spent all their spare time dreaming of shooting up grade schools with AR15's. Just hard working blue collar men who did not live outside of bubba central fly over country in the house on the Animal Farm.

So, on your farm do you live in the house or the barn with the "bubbas"? I'm not a "bubba", I'm a white African American born in Africa which is always hard for HR departments and lawyers to generalize me with the rest of the "bubbas". Dang anyone remember when we were called rednecks and honkies? And where I live in Oakland, almost every night sounds like Falujia and we ain't got many "bubbas" in Oaktown capping anyone over drug deals. Must be them drive through long haul bubba truckers and their fully automatic AR15's they spray out the window as they cruise through on 880. We actually have a problem with none bubba gangs having high speed gunfights on 880, 80, 580 and 680 all around Oaktown. So much for gun laws in California. Do we just go full on Venezuela becasue the bubbas are just too stupid to not act like bubbas? Venezuela confiscated all the civilian firearms in 2012, it only took 7 years before the government was running protesters over with trucks and shooting them in the streets.

[2bighorn]

Ah, but we're talking about the same type of regulation being applied to gun ownership.

We already have far more gun laws and regulations. And if you violate them, you won't get away with infraction or fix-it ticket, it's mostly misdemeanor or felony.

The mass shooters are stuck on AR 15.

How is AR-15 different than any other semi-auto with exchangeable magazines? That's right, it isn't.
It's just the most common platform here in US, for many reasons, none of which makes AR-15 deadlier.

Should we ban Ford F-Series because it causes more car accident deaths than other vehicles?
Is it deadlier than Dodge Ram because of its design or maybe just perhaps because it sells better?

[bustr]

Funny thing about Venezuela and the Chavez gun confiscation in 2012. The government said it was to address the high murder rate of that country since the country was a utopia with Chavez nationalizing everything for his cronies while no one had jobs forcing them to rob each other with guns. See, bubbas bad and can't be left to their own decisions with guns. Once the guns were confiscated then Chavez gave guns to all the pro Chavez civilian gangs. Then if Chavez was unhappy with some unarmed group, the death rate went up but, murders supposedly dropped off. Then once again with Maduro and the elections of 2017 there was another round of confiscations just before the elections for public safety. The death rate went up during the confiscation process but, again murders dropped off. Since 2017 the pro Maduro armed gangs have protected Maduro by killing citizens for thinking and saying bad things about their starvation, lack of medical treatment, lack of basic necessities, and lack of life expectancy becasue armed government gangs were shooting them becasue they were stupid bubbas who don't matter.

Yes, every one wants to live in the Farm House and tell the bubbas how to live or die. In every country you can think of outside of a very few, there are the elite who know better than the local bubbas who can't be trusted to think for themselves or be armed like the Elites dictating life and death to them from the Farm house.

[Arlo]

How is AR-15 different than any other semi-auto with exchangeable magazines? That's right, it isn't.
It's just the most common platform here in US, for many reasons, none of which makes AR-15 deadlier.

Well, it's not a Ruger 10/22, that's for sure.

[2bighorn]

Well, it's not a Ruger 10/22, that's for sure.

Ruger 10/22 with evil features (pistol grip, folding stock) was assault weapon under 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban. No deadlier than basic variant.

Common sense gun control law, right?

How about AR-15 with .22LR upper? Still evil gun?



Anyways, what kind of additional gun control laws do you support anyway?

"Rapid Fire" weapons as you call them, aka machine guns are already banned. Bumpstocks were banned recently.
What else?

[Shuffler]

Those shooting up schools are never your rednecks. Always city boys with mental problems or wannabe city boys.

[Vulcan]

Are you guys still going?

[morfiend]

Ruger 10/22 with evil features (pistol grip, folding stock) was assault weapon under 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban. No deadlier than basic variant.

Common sense gun control law, right?

How about AR-15 with .22LR upper? Still evil gun?



Anyways, what kind of additional gun control laws do you support anyway?

"Rapid Fire" weapons as you call them, aka machine guns are already banned. Bumpstocks were banned recently.
What else?

  Hey big good to hear from ya!


  I thought you could get an MG with a simple tax stamp,or is that only in certain states? Oh and a thick wallet would help. Seems a 200 dollar stamp was lots back in what 1934 maybe it should be increased proportionally?

 I dont have a dog in the fight and I dont think there are any fixes as the cats out of the bag so to speak but I do agree a semi auto is a semi auto.....


  Personally I dont like CC if you want to wear a gun it should be in plane sight so I can see it and keep my distance if I choose....but thats just me.


   

[guncrasher]

Those shooting up schools are never your rednecks. Always city boys with mental problems or wannabe city boys.

actually lots school shootings happen in small towns or suburbs.  easy to find out.  lots of non school shootings with multiple victims are also in small towns.


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[DmonSlyr]

HUGE weapons Cache seized in an abandoned LA mansion owned by Gordon Getty yesterday. Wonder what this is all about? Goes to show that they are perfectly fine hoarding and selling weapons illegally while they make laws that prevent regular folks from their rights to protection.

[OldNitro]

Another leftist Christian hating kook just shot up a school in CO..
Had 666 and F*#& Society, spray painted on their car.. Solid citizens huh???

2 patriot type kids, jumped the creature, stopped the shooting before it became worse..
One of these two young Heroes was killed by the armed leftist freak..

This leftist insanity will go into overdrive in 2020.. Thousands of their brainwashed,
drugged up, wind up toys, that can't tell which bathroom to use, are ready to kill
innocent people.. So their communist media presstitutes, can lay "collective blame"
on everyone who owns a gun..

So, Gun up, Ammo up, and Armor up, before the festivities begin!

[2bighorn]

Hey Morph, nice to see you're still kicking!

  I thought you could get an MG with a simple tax stamp,or is that only in certain states? Oh and a thick wallet would help. Seems a 200 dollar stamp was lots back in what 1934 maybe it should be increased proportionally?

It involves a little more than just a $200 tax stamp (NFA has been expanded several times after 1934). You need ATF permission for any title II weapon (like machinegun) or parts, you need to pass extensive background check, and weapon or part gets registered. It has to be legal in your state (CA bans all title II weapons). It has to be manufactured before 1986 (sorry, no new machine guns for ordinary citizens). You can't transport it over any state line, or transfer it to another person without ATF approval.
Any violation of NFA is outright felony and lengthy visit to federal prison.
Then, there's the price. Haven't seen any machine gun for less than 10 grand in like forever.
All of the above makes machine guns very rare. (less than 15,000 registered).

  Personally I dont like CC if you want to wear a gun it should be in plane sight so I can see it and keep my distance if I choose....but thats just me.

Yeah, unfortunately many states banned open carry.
In California open carry is banned, with exception to your private property if it isn't publicly accessible (backyard if fenced), places where it is legal to discharge firearm (gun ranges, national forests, etc) and when hunting or fishing.
As for concealed carry, In most CA counties, CCW permits are nearly impossible to get. Most of the criminals carry firearms though, hence the rise in firearms related deaths (CDC data).