Follow up on "Were did everyone go"?

[Arlo]

Second set a free set of planes allowed in the MA. If you can fly for the first month or two for free with a limited set you may get hooked and upgrade.  It also adds numbers to the arena which down the line will add more numbers.

This is the set I recommended last year and it's certainly up for community discussion:

C-47A
F4F-4
P-40B
Hurricane Mk I
Spitfire Mk I
Bf 109E-4
Fi 156
D3A1
I-16
Jeep
M-3
SdKfz 251

(9 planes and 3 vehicles ... early war or support)

[Wiley]

This is the set I recommended last year and it's certainly up for community discussion:

C-47A
F4F-4
P-40B
Hurricane Mk I
Spitfire Mk I
Bf 109E-4
Fi 156
D3A1
I-16
Jeep
M-3
SdKfz 251

(9 planes and 3 vehicles ... early war or support)

Not entirely sure if having troops/sups available for a free account is a good idea.  If I cared about them I'd be inclined to 2 box the heck out of that.  I think it would really change the face of the arena, quite likely not for the better.

Wiley.

[Arlo]

Not entirely sure if having troops/sups available for a free account is a good idea.  If I cared about them I'd be inclined to 2 box the heck out of that.  I think it would really change the face of the arena, quite likely not for the better.

Wiley.

Objection noted. Alternative?

[Wiley]

Objection noted. Alternative?

Um...  Not giving them the support vehicles?  38G would likely be a good addition.  One or both of the Stukas.  Maybe something like the JU88 or HE111 for bombing.

Wiley.

[Archie]

We will see soon what competition is bringing in a new form to the table and if it will have any effect on the future of online flight sims, maybe it will have some effect on AH also? 

[CptTrips]

Your recommended practical solutions that you highlight in your post without personal insult and purely without ego are somewhat underwhelming, sir. I've read it three times now and couldn't  actually break the code and find them. Humbly and with hat in hand, could you present them plainly for all to see? 

I can’t decipher your post.  Are you saying I called you a name?

[Arlo]

Um...  Not giving them the support vehicles?  38G would likely be a good addition.  One or both of the Stukas.  Maybe something like the JU88 or HE111 for bombing.

Wiley.

Encouraging free account players to provide the support that players with paid accounts often shun was indeed part of my reasoning and I actually thought of doing so as beneficial, so I'm curious as to why you think making the support vehicles available for free would be disastrous. If you want, offer some perceived scenarios that could convince me. I'm willing to recant if they are convincing.

[Arlo]

I can’t decipher your post.  Are you saying I called you a name?

I'm saying that your cold, calculating, steely-eyed vision for improvement of the game, no matter how uncomfortable you project it will make the rest of us feel, is kinda missing something.

I'll dumb it down for you. What exactly are your suggestions for improvement, leaving your feelings about the rest of us out of it?

(Do you really need this deciphered?) 

[Wiley]

Encouraging free account players to provide the support that player with paid accounts often shun was indeed part of my reasoning and I actually thought of doing so as beneficial, so I'm curious as to why you think making the support vehicles available for free would be disastrous. If you want, offer some perceived scenarios that could convince me. I'm willing to recant if they are convincing.

Guys sitting on the concrete with their Tiger 2 and a literally constant supply of vehicle supplies sitting behind them from their second computer, without needing to be relying on another player to bring them.
Running sups/troops while you cover them in an aircraft without having to rely on other players.
Single player base sneaks, tank to down/deack the town, troops on instant standby.
Double (or more) the number of troops or supplies for every application of them.

Off the top of my head.  There are likely other applications the haven't occurred to me.

Wiley.

[CptTrips]

(Do you really need this deciphered?) 

Ok, because I was very careful not to personally insult anyone. 

[Wiley]

Actually forget the guys sitting on concrete.  Guys sitting pretty much anywhere in a tank with a constant set of supplies right behind them.  Would completely change the dynamics of an attack on a base.

Wiley.

[Arlo]

Guys sitting on the concrete with their Tiger 2 and a literally constant supply of vehicle supplies sitting behind them from their second computer, without needing to be relying on another player to bring them.
Running sups/troops while you cover them in an aircraft without having to rely on other players.
Single player base sneaks, tank to down/deack the town, troops on instant standby.
Double (or more) the number of troops or supplies for every application of them.

Off the top of my head.  There are likely other applications the haven't occurred to me.

Wiley.

So it's a case of too many sups and troops taking the place of too few because you think it'll be a common practice for players to have a second free account and desire to go to the trouble of doing this on a regular basis with a second computer instead of it providing a useful set of limited free stuff for new players to stick around long enough to get a better grasp of the game as a whole? I dunno, that seems like a rather pessimistic viewpoint and even a bit far fetched. But I said I'd keep an open mind on what suggestions I offer that are hopelessly broken ideas. I'll ponder on that.

As far as replacing support vehicles with P-38s, Stukas, Ju-88s and He-111s, well, I'm not sure the encouragement to create a paid account would be greater from doing so.

[Arlo]

Ok, because I was very careful not to personally insult anyone.

Just add some useful suggestions and get over the ever-lovin' character assessment of the community as your only input and you can be as insulting as you think you can get away with. 

[Wiley]

So it's a case of too many sups and troops taking the place of too few because you think it'll be a common practice for players to have a second free account and desire to go to the trouble of doing this on a regular basis with a second computer instead of it providing a useful set of limited free stuff for new players to stick around long enough to get a better grasp of the game as a whole? I dunno, that seems like a rather pessimistic viewpoint and even a bit far fetched. But I said I'd keep an open mind on what suggestions I offer that are hopelessly broken ideas. I'll ponder on that.

Did you expect a squad of guys to drive 8 hours to exploit the loopholes in the base flashing code to shut down the HQs of the other sides for hours on end, using the .target command to line up their long distance gunnery?  Did you expect them to do it often enough that HTC changed the hardness of the HQ?

If it's possible, people will do it.

When people propose ideas, from what I've seen they rarely if ever consider how someone might exploit it.

Wiley.

[Shuffler]

I think the majority of all new players are going to leave the game within ten minutes no matter what happens. I think the problem is that we need a bigger net.

Maybe if the AH YouTube channel was about wwII aeroplanes instead of about AH the game.

Ads on the history channel too expensive? Make your own history channel on the YouTube. Nobody watches tv anymore anyway.

Nothing on the history channel about history any more.