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Offline monroekw

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recommendation on new graphics card
« on: September 19, 2019, 10:29:25 AM »
I am going to replace my 8 year old graphics card and am looking for recommendations on a new one, specifically for most efficiently running aces high. I am willing to replace ram with 16mb ddr3 and have budgeted up to $450 for a card. Would also want VR capable. Attached is my dx diag
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System Information
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      Time of this report: 9/19/2019, 08:50:45
             Machine name: DESKTOP-FOID52B
               Machine Id: {258BB12B-F615-4A06-A4C1-0BFF517F1F1A}
         Operating System: Windows 10 Pro 64-bit (10.0, Build 18362) (18362.19h1_release.190318-1202)
                 Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
      System Manufacturer: System manufacturer
             System Model: System Product Name
                     BIOS: BIOS Date: 11/16/10 11:24:46 Ver: 08.00.15 (type: BIOS)
                Processor: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 970 Processor (4 CPUs), ~3.5GHz
                   Memory: 8192MB RAM
      Available OS Memory: 8190MB RAM
                Page File: 4610MB used, 4859MB available
              Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
          DirectX Version: DirectX 12
      DX Setup Parameters: Not found
         User DPI Setting: 192 DPI (200 percent)
       System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
          DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
                 Miracast: Available, with HDCP
Microsoft Graphics Hybrid: Not Supported
 DirectX Database Version: Unknown
           DxDiag Version: 10.00.18362.0329 64bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
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      Display Tab 1: No problems found.
        Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
        Sound Tab 2: No problems found.
        Sound Tab 3: No problems found.
        Sound Tab 4: No problems found.
        Sound Tab 5: No problems found.
          Input Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D:    0/4 (retail)
DirectDraw:  0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (retail)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (retail)
DirectPlay:  0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow:  0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
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           Card name: Radeon (TM) RX 470 Graphics
        Manufacturer: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
           Chip type: AMD Radeon Graphics Processor (0x67DF)
            DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
         Device Type: Full Device (POST)
          Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_67DF&SUBSYS_34111462&REV_CF
       Device Status: 0180200A [DN_DRIVER_LOADED|DN_STARTED|DN_DISABLEABLE|DN_NT_ENUMERATOR|DN_NT_DRIVER]
 Device Problem Code: No Problem
 Driver Problem Code: Unknown
      Display Memory: 8136 MB
    Dedicated Memory: 4041 MB
       Shared Memory: 4095 MB
        Current Mode: 3840 x 1600 (32 bit) (75Hz)
         HDR Support: Supported
    Display Topology: Internal
 Display Color Space: DXGI_COLOR_SPACE_RGB_FULL_G22 _NONE_P709
     Color Primaries: Red(0.662109,0.330078), Green(0.300781,0.610352), Blue(0.150391,0.059570), White Point(0.313477,0.329102)
   Display Luminance: Min Luminance = 0.292800, Max Luminance = 400.000000, MaxFullFrameLuminance = 400.000000
        Monitor Name: Generic PnP Monitor
       Monitor Model: Acer XR382CQK
          Monitor Id: ACR0566
         Native Mode: 3840 x 1600(p) (75.000Hz)
         Output Type: HDMI
Monitor Capabilities: HDR Supported (BT2020RGB BT2020YCC Eotf2084Supported )
Display Pixel Format: DISPLAYCONFIG_PIXELFORMAT_32B PP
      Advanced Color: AdvancedColorSupported
         Driver Name: C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\c0346453.inf_amd64_ab2dda6dde2b69fc\B346420\aticfx64.dll,C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\c0346453.inf_amd64_ab2dda6dde2b69fc\B346420\aticfx64.dll,C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\c0346453.inf_amd64_ab2dda6dde2b69fc\B346420\aticfx64.dll,C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\c0346453.inf_amd64_ab2dda6dde2b69fc\B346420\amdxc64.dll
 Driver File Version: 26.20.13001.50005 (English)
      Driver Version: 26.20.13001.50005
         DDI Version: 12
      Feature Levels: 12_0,11_1,11_0,10_1,10_0,9_3,9_2,9_1
        Driver Model: WDDM 2.6
 Graphics Preemption: Primitive
  Compute Preemption: DMA
            Miracast: Not Supported
      Detachable GPU: No
 Hybrid Graphics GPU: Not Supported
      Power P-states: Not Supported
      Virtualization: Paravirtualization
          Block List: No Blocks
  Catalog Attributes: Universal:False Declarative:False
   Driver Attributes: Final Retail
    Driver Date/Size: 9/2/2019 8:00:00 PM, 1981584 bytes
         WHQL Logo'd: Yes
     WHQL Date Stamp: Unknown
   Device Identifier: {D7B71EE2-249F-11CF-87B4-D82674C2D735}
           Vendor ID: 0x1002
           Device ID: 0x67DF
           SubSys ID: 0x34111462
         Revision ID: 0x00CF
  Driver Strong Name: oem26.inf:cb0ae414b19a9792:ati2mtag_Polaris10DS:26.20.13001.50005:pci\ven_1002&dev_67df&rev_cf
      Rank Of Driver: 00D12000
         Video Accel: Unknown
         DXVA2 Modes: DXVA2_ModeMPEG2_VLD  DXVA2_ModeMPEG2_IDCT  DXVA2_ModeH264_VLD_NoFGT  DXVA2_ModeHEVC_VLD_Main  DXVA2_ModeH264_VLD_Stereo_Pro gressive_NoFGT  DXVA2_ModeH264_VLD_Stereo_NoF GT  DXVA2_ModeVC1_VLD  DXVA2_ModeMPEG4pt2_VLD_AdvSim ple_NoGMC  DXVA2_ModeHEVC_VLD_Main10 
      Deinterlace Caps: n/a
        D3D9 Overlay: Not Supported
             DXVA-HD: Not Supported
        DDraw Status: Enabled
          D3D Status: Enabled
          AGP Status: Enabled
       MPO MaxPlanes: 1
            MPO Caps: Not Supported
         MPO Stretch: Not Supported
     MPO Media Hints: Not Supported
         MPO Formats: Not Supported
    PanelFitter Caps: Not Supported
 PanelFitter Stretch: Not Supported
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Offline Bizman

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Re: recommendation on new graphics card
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2019, 10:49:13 AM »
Nvidia GTX 1660 Ti is fast and cost effective. However, regarding your budget a RTX 2070 would be even faster and better for VR. For what I found at Newegg (US) new ones start currently at $459, open box and refurbished even lower. Plus the RTX versions can handle Ray Tracing "with ease" compared to the GTX models in case you'd like to play games supporting it.

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Offline Denniss

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Re: recommendation on new graphics card
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2019, 11:55:31 AM »
With this rather old CPU it may be rather useless to upgrade graphics unless you are planning to buy a new CPU/Board/RAM in the near future. You will likely be seriously CPU-limited in games.
Do you have a SSD in your system?
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Re: recommendation on new graphics card
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2019, 01:31:14 PM »
Quote from: Denniss on September 20, 2019, 11:55:31 AM
With this rather old CPU it may be rather useless to upgrade graphics unless you are planning to buy a new CPU/Board/RAM in the near future. You will likely be seriously CPU-limited in games.
Do you have a SSD in your system?

I have an AMD B.E. Q975 quad-core CPU @ 3.61 GHz , his Q970 is on par with my Q975, just a tic slower....

The thing about it is, I built an INTEL i7-2600k system to compare with my 6 month old AMD build and in actual "real world"  performance the AMD build easily stayed with the INTEL build, and sometimes out performed it, especially in AutoCAD

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Only thing I would want to know is what Motherboard he is using

BTW, both of my systems were built initially with 16 GBs of DDR3 1600 MHz, and m4 crucial SSDs.... The memory has been upgraded to Crucial 1866 MHz 32GB DDR3

Bizman offered you some good choices of videocards.... If you want to go the AMD/ATI route, you can find the RX580 8 GB or RX590 8 GB videocards are VR capable and lower cost... Regarding your 470, I don't recall what capabilities that model has, but AMD R9 290X were the first VR capable GPUs AMD offered iirc

Also, you might want to check up on different Bios versions, you might find one (or more) they will help improve your MB since you are using Windows 10.... I know I did for 2 different AMD builds using ASUS MB's...

Good luck and hope this helps

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Offline monroekw

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Re: recommendation on new graphics card
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2019, 02:52:27 PM »
Denniss
My original build still contains 80gb ssd dedicated to only the OS and aces high

Tequila Chaser
My MB Asus M4A89GTD Pro USB3
I will check on the latest version of bios as suggested

Thanks everyone for the input
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Re: recommendation on new graphics card
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2019, 03:56:31 PM »
If you find that your older USB3 port lacks sufficient power for VR you can add a USB3.1 card.



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Re: recommendation on new graphics card
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2019, 06:56:42 AM »
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Re: recommendation on new graphics card
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2019, 01:03:51 AM »
Quote from: monroekw on September 21, 2019, 02:52:27 PM

Tequila Chaser
My MB Asus M4A89GTD Pro USB3
I will check on the latest version of bios as suggested

Thanks everyone for the input

So you went with ASUS' most expensive MB not counting ASUS-ROG series of boards...

That MB has the capability to go into advanced settings in the bios, to where you can tweak it to your liking, even unlock the other 2 cores that are locked out and not showing possibly

I used that same board and have never had any problems, just those AMD builds like you and I have can heat a small house, LOL

Let us know how it worked out for you and I'm curious as to which video card you chose?


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Re: recommendation on new graphics card
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2019, 11:39:18 AM »
If you haven't purchased a new card, Nvidia is set to release the "Super" versions of some of their newer cards.  The GTX 1660 Super is more than enough to run AH at the highest settings and most new games at 1080p.  Price is supposed to be around the $225-$250 mark depending on manufacturer SKU.
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Re: recommendation on new graphics card
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2019, 02:00:19 PM »
And they release the 1650/1660 Super because AMD releases the RX5500 series with more to follow. Competition is sometimes really good - newer/faster products or prices dropping.
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Re: recommendation on new graphics card
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2019, 08:57:25 AM »
The PCIe version will ultimately determine his graphics limitations.

It's likely 2.0 in his rig but I still don't think Aces High would require more than 2.0 if the MB and Video card are not hampered by less than optimum system settings and drivers.

Even with the PCI limitations a more modern card of higher performance works great and consumes less power.     Many PCIe versions have some amount of backwards compatibility.
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Re: recommendation on new graphics card
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2019, 11:57:59 AM »
I just bought a 2080 and I love it.
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Re: recommendation on new graphics card
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2019, 12:55:08 PM »
You also have the Radeon RX5700 and Vega 56 - I've seen Vega's super discounted right now.

If I had a choice, GeForce RTX 2060 hands down, then the 5700 depending on price.
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Re: recommendation on new graphics card
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2019, 02:27:48 AM »
I would ask myself, do I want to play other games in the future, or at higher resolution than 1080p ?

If the answer to the question is yes, I would go as high as possible, otherwise I would take a cheaper approach.

A few years ago I upgraded to a GTX1080 to handle a 1440@75hz screen for AH, and CLOD, and WT tanks.

I run it on an older machine (Intel 4690 @ 4.3hz with 20gig memory, TrackIR, TM Warthog, Windows10).

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Re: recommendation on new graphics card
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2019, 04:10:33 PM »
Neither 2080 nor 2080S are worth buying - to little speed gain and much to expensive if compared to 2070S.
Buying a 2060 nowadays is a really bad choice giving the performance (and VRAM) gain offered by the 2060S.
Both 2060S/2070S face real competition with RX5700/5700XT
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