Author Topic: Turn Off Kill Shooter (Read 919 times)

CRASH · « **on:** September 11, 2001, 08:33:00 AM »

Turn off killshooter and use a png status jobber like AW did. 3 Freindly kills and ur done. Will put an end to all that kill stealin' nonsense right quick. It's happend to me a bunch of times and pisses me right the hell off. Fight a bandit 1v1 down to the deck from 20k, saddled up 200 off his 6 and some yahoo jumps in front of ur guns to steal the kill because he knows ur fire cant hurt him. Contolling your fire so you dont hit freindlies was a big deal in combat and should be in AH.
Of course now come the whines from all the guys who are only capable of getting kills by jumpin in front of ur guns to kill a bandit that's already been beaten......ok, ready, bring it on

CRASH

skernsk · « **Reply #1 on:** September 11, 2001, 08:41:00 AM »

Heh..we have all had kills "stolen" and have all dove into a fight and blamms someone elses "kill".

I'm all for it....turning off killshooter however think of the Gunman26's and a few others. We'd all be banned for killing our own guys and the whining would be worse!

PILOT 1 -- "YOU STOLE MY KILL....!"

PILOT 2 -- "DID NOT"

PILOT 1 -- "YOU SHOT ME DOWN TO GET TO THE BANDIT!!"

PILOT 2 -- "DID NOT...YOU FLEW IN FRONT OF ME AS I WAS FIRING..I HAVE FILM TO PROVE IT"

PILOT 1 -- "I'M TELLING HT!"

Country channel would be brutal listening to the bickering of your fellow pilots

Wotan · « **Reply #2 on:** September 11, 2001, 09:18:00 AM »

quick story

my squaddie and I were in 152s bouncing buffs ib our hq. We each got 2 when we spotted another. About this time a 38 came in co-alt. I lost sight of the 38 and my squaddie (target fixated on buff) I thought he went to deal with the 38. Hr actually dove behind and under me to hit the buff from below. I just came in ded 6 at a high rate of speed (buff pilot was newbie spraying wildly; easy kill right?). I flipped ovr to 30mm only and as I pulled the trigger my squaddie blew up the buff and flew through my bullet stream. I fired 5 30mm rounds at d 150 and saw 3 sprits. Well I instantly exploded

Now if no kill shooter I would have killed him. Either way it sucks. I'd rather not be killed by my team mates either way but I think I'd rather have some control of it. I only die due to killshooter if I pull the trigger.

I dont trust others not to shot me

Part of sa is knowing where your mates are and knowing what plane type they are in. On that last point I dont know how many times I tried to help someone and they assume I'm a niki or spit and go into some ufo evasives calling fer me to help

whels · « **Reply #3 on:** September 11, 2001, 11:00:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Wotan:
quick story

my squaddie and I were in 152s bouncing buffs ib our hq. We each got 2 when we spotted another. About this time a 38 came in co-alt. I lost sight of the 38 and my squaddie (target fixated on buff) I thought he went to deal with the 38. Hr actually dove behind and under me to hit the buff from below. I just came in ded 6 at a high rate of speed (buff pilot was newbie spraying wildly; easy kill right?). I flipped ovr to 30mm only and as I pulled the trigger my squaddie blew up the buff and flew through my bullet stream. I fired 5 30mm rounds at d 150 and saw 3 sprits. Well I instantly exploded

Now if no kill shooter I would have killed him. Either way it sucks. I'd rather not be killed by my team mates either way but I think I'd rather have some control of it. I only die due to killshooter if I pull the trigger.

I dont trust others not to shot me

Part of sa is knowing where your mates are and knowing what plane type they are in. On that last point I dont know how many times I tried to help someone and they assume I'm a niki or spit and go into some ufo evasives calling fer me to help

Wotan ill give u xample of how kill shooter
99% of time punishs the wrong party.

i was saddled up on a bandits 6 about 400 out,, only friendlies were behind me. as i fired a volly, i started getting hhit sounds.
as i was getting them a friendly plane emerged from within my plane to infront, as i die i see him continue to on to the bandit.

he purposely flew through my plane to get to the kill. but yet i get punished with kill shooter, cause of some other morons doings. thats roadkill. id rather 3 to 5 friendly kills in 24 hour time u go no ammo/bombs for 24 hours. id much rather have same damage that enemy take from pings applied to friendly planes, instead of the 1 ping ur dead killshooter.

Voss · « **Reply #4 on:** September 11, 2001, 11:30:00 AM »

Whels, I have news for you. Just because you see the guy fly through your plane does not mean that he did so on his FE. I spend a lot of time flying with Rude in formation; tight formation too. You should hear the comments.

Voss:"Okay, I'm 8 yards out."
Rude:"No, you're not, you're 78 yards out."
Voss:"Well, now you warped 200 behind me."
Rude:"No, you're still sitting there at 78 yards."
Voss:"Okay, you're back now. 8 yards."
RWY:"Voss, get a new ISP."

Somedays I wish killshooter WAS off.

whels · « **Reply #5 on:** September 11, 2001, 11:39:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Voss:
Whels, I have news for you. Just because you see the guy fly through your plane does not mean that he did so on his FE. I spend a lot of time flying with Rude in formation; tight formation too. You should hear the comments.

Voss:"Okay, I'm 8 yards out."
Rude:"No, you're not, you're 78 yards out."
Voss:"Well, now you warped 200 behind me."
Rude:"No, you're still sitting there at 78 yards."
Voss:"Okay, you're back now. 8 yards."
RWY:"Voss, get a new ISP."

Somedays I wish killshooter WAS off.

Voss

u prove my point nicely, kill shooter punished me cause in FE he flew through
my plane when he might not have on his, but yet i still get ded from something NOT my fualt. either kill shooter needs to check both FEs and they = same then apply damage.
but u could do the same with shootin friendlies.

we need to put the burden on the cutting across, flying through others bullets to avoid it. not the pilot doing the right things. kill shooter as i stated punishes the wrong pilot most of the time.

Voss · « **Reply #6 on:** September 11, 2001, 01:29:00 PM »

I STILL disagree. I don't want some first day newbie, or vengeful knitwit coming to my country and shooting me down IF I should ever get a good streak going. I can control where I aim and I usually know when there are others around from my own team. Avoiding this sort of problem is not that hard.

Hooligan · « **Reply #7 on:** September 11, 2001, 02:12:00 PM »

Of all the proposed solutions to the problem of friendly fire in a game like AH, I personally much prefer killshooter. I haven't heard of a perfect solution yet, and Killshooter is simply the least repulsive to me.

Hooligan

DanielMcIntyre · « **Reply #8 on:** September 14, 2001, 11:28:00 PM »

I've had a lot of problems with killshooter too. I once was engaged in a really great 1 v 1 in the MA, musta have gone on for 5 minutes, was really intense stuff, I finally managed to get on the baddies 6 and was firing and killed the bandit, a friendly (sarcasm evident) dives straight thru my bullet stream, I explode and he, without firing a shot gets the kill?

I would love to see killshooter turned off, if people kill friendlies deliberately, hunt them down and make it impossible for them to fly.

Killshooter turned off would also prevent idiots like gunman26 to harrass people, because his own country could've used coercive force

moose · « **Reply #9 on:** September 14, 2001, 11:49:00 PM »

What if

there was no killshooter at all.

or shooting friendlys down.

your bullets do nothing to your own guys.

at least then you wouldnt be punished those times someone flies in front of you

Booky · « **Reply #10 on:** September 15, 2001, 12:13:00 AM »

I agree with moose. Why don't they just make the bullets have same affect on friendly aircraft as they do on freindly bases. I don't think your ammo or Ord has any affect on your own fields. I think that only change the ammo though, since I think killing yourself with Bombs is a good feature.

SOB · « **Reply #11 on:** September 15, 2001, 09:37:00 AM »

I like killshooter. Perhaps because that's the only system I've ever flown with. The real down side to the PNG system is that I would never be able to fly, as I won't be able to stop myself from repeatedly killing my squaddies!

SOB

FDisk · « **Reply #12 on:** September 15, 2001, 09:45:00 AM »

IMO I think taking killshooter off would be a stupid idea. You just have to be careful. I do think a new system need to be put in place for kill stealing though. I lost 15 kills in one days to kill steals. Assists piss me off.

Hobodog · « **Reply #13 on:** September 15, 2001, 11:15:00 AM »

Slips into his flame retardent suit...................Just make it so that friendly bullets dont hurt you or the man you shot its the perfect compromise.

Ok extingusher on standby

Duckwing6 · « **Reply #14 on:** September 15, 2001, 12:29:00 PM »

we got that already Hobodog ... you can tell them armorers to load rubber bullets