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Offline Mister Fork

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Re: Lion Air Report
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2019, 06:05:16 PM »
Quote from: Vulcan on November 26, 2019, 05:58:11 PM
Suck it up, the USA happily do that all the time to non-US products (see Huawei).
Oh we both know what Boeing does on the protectionist side of things. They lobbied the US government last year to block the sale of Canada's Bombardier's C Series jet into the US with tariffs.

Some would call it 'Karma.'
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Re: Lion Air Report
« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2019, 06:25:56 PM »
Quote from: Vulcan on November 26, 2019, 05:58:11 PM
Suck it up, the USA happily do that all the time to non-US products (see Huawei).

Two wrongs don’t make a right. 

Huawei deserved what they got in any case. 
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Re: Lion Air Report
« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2019, 06:27:16 PM »
Quote from: Mister Fork on November 26, 2019, 06:05:16 PM
Oh we both know what Boeing does on the protectionist side of things. They lobbied the US government last year to block the sale of Canada's Bombardier's C Series jet into the US with tariffs.

Some would call it 'Karma.'

And they ultimately lost because the C series is being built here.   

Airbus is subsidized massively.   They should be out of business. 

Boeing is no angel but at least they actually have to deliver a product to survive. 
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Re: Lion Air Report
« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2019, 11:17:17 PM »
Quote from: Vulcan on November 26, 2019, 05:58:11 PM
Suck it up, the USA happily do that all the time to non-US products (see Huawei).

The US did not say it was bad. It is just a security issue. That is a communist country.
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Re: Lion Air Report
« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2019, 12:09:01 AM »
Quote from: Shuffler on November 26, 2019, 11:17:17 PM
The US did not say it was bad. It is just a security issue. That is a communist country.

yeah well the plane wasnt bad, it just didnt have a light to tell the pilot something was wrong with it.


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Re: Lion Air Report
« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2019, 05:21:54 AM »
Quote from: guncrasher on November 27, 2019, 12:09:01 AM
yeah well the plane wasnt bad, it just didnt have a light to tell the pilot something was wrong with it.


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It doesn't need a light.   It has a gigantic trim wheel that goes KA-CHUNK! KA-CHUNK!  KA-CHUNK!

The plane was flyable until some idiot decided to re-engage a failed system.    Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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Re: Lion Air Report
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2019, 07:38:04 AM »
Quote from: Ramesis on November 26, 2019, 02:32:35 PM
Are not we all arm chair pilots?
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Not all of us.
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Re: Lion Air Report
« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2019, 08:31:04 AM »
Quote from: Puma44 on November 27, 2019, 07:38:04 AM
Not all of us.

Agreed.

Its disappointing that reports from individuals as knowledgeable and respected as Mr. Feith do not top the headlines as often as the drivel that the talking heads regurgitate. Time will tell if the damage to the Boeing Company is reversible.
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Re: Lion Air Report
« Reply #23 on: November 27, 2019, 10:07:40 AM »
Quote from: guncrasher on November 27, 2019, 12:09:01 AM
yeah well the plane wasnt bad, it just didnt have a light to tell the pilot something was wrong with it.


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Close.... it didn't have a pilot.
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Re: Lion Air Report
« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2019, 10:31:39 AM »
Quote from: Shuffler on November 27, 2019, 10:07:40 AM
Close.... it didn't have a pilot.

At least not a competent, sufficiently experienced one, or two.
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Re: Lion Air Report
« Reply #25 on: November 27, 2019, 10:42:14 AM »
Quote from: Shuffler on November 27, 2019, 10:07:40 AM
Close.... it didn't have a pilot.

#Burn


Also, I just passed my B-737 SIC Course.  I'm now qualified as a 737NG/MAX copilot.    :banana:
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Re: Lion Air Report
« Reply #26 on: November 27, 2019, 10:56:56 AM »
Quote from: Vraciu on November 27, 2019, 10:42:14 AM
#Burn


Also, I just passed my B-737 SIC Course.  I'm now qualified as a 737NG/MAX copilot.    :banana:

Grats!


.... and Puma I should have said "competent pilot" of course.  :salute
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Re: Lion Air Report
« Reply #27 on: November 27, 2019, 11:01:36 AM »
Both Airbus and Boeing enjoy subsidaries - from reseach, Airbus from state owned research, and US from such as NASA,  I have no idea, I guess we never find out who get the most.

Airbus have assembly plants both in US ((320 and A220) and China (who also makes A320 copies, Comac, and AR 21 (DC9 copy).

Airbus and Boeing are nowhere as subsided as Chinas effort to build their own civil aircraft industry, wait 20 years and see their cheap planes sell like hot cakes.

Russia have not succeeded with their civil aviation, mainly due to bad maintance, and support.


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Re: Lion Air Report
« Reply #28 on: November 27, 2019, 11:05:12 AM »
Airbus is directly subsidized by government.   Boeing is not. 

The 380 debacle should have put them under but the governments involved will eat the loss instead.
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Re: Lion Air Report
« Reply #29 on: November 27, 2019, 11:17:57 AM »
Both Airbus and Boing lost alot of money on their 4 engined planes, both A380 ( FAL being closed), and 747-8 (FAL being closed).
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