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Offline Hotstuff

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I hate wirbs.
« on: March 14, 2020, 12:15:12 PM »
Wirbs are overpowered. They should be perked. Looking at wikipedia up to 105 were built during the war, yet 20 wirbs can spawn to attack/defend any field within an hour. Some people are just too good at them, magazines are not modeled.

Ostwinds are already nasty enough, but can we get some control on the wirbs?

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Re: I hate wirbs.
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2020, 01:47:12 PM »
ill see your magazines, and raise you barrel changes. im not sure what barrel life was, but videos show them being hot swapped in use pretty frequently.


Each of the four mounted guns had a separate magazine that held only 20 rounds. This meant that a maximum combined rate of fire of 1,400 rounds per minute was reduced practically to 800 rounds per minute for combat use – which would still require that an emptied magazine be replaced every six seconds, on each of the four guns. This is the attainable rate of fire; the sustained rate of fire is significantly lower due to rapid heat buildup and barrel erosion. Automatic weapons are typically limited to roughly 100 rounds per minute per barrel to give time for the heat to dissipate, although this can be exceeded for short periods if the firing window is brief.


because simple math is fun,
100 rpm to keep barrel from melting.
20 rounds each

100 rounds per minute / 60 (seconds) = 1.67 rounds per second per gun.
20 rounds / 1.67 rounds per second = 11.97 seconds of fire per gun. before reload.

in reality it appears to me they could keep the guns topped off for a solid stream of fire.
of course this required a dedicated loading person for each gun. (x4)

i dont know what the fire rate is for the ah3 wirb, but i bet it couldn't make it through its whole ammo supply at the current rate without barrel changes even if the loaders could keep it topped off.

of course we have a lot of theoretically perfect equipment, so this may be by design.


« Last Edit: March 14, 2020, 02:23:34 PM by toasted »
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Re: I hate wirbs.
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2020, 02:06:07 PM »
Good points. It is annoying that these things can be moving targets dumping hundreds of 20mm rounds at you when you try to strafe them.

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Re: I hate wirbs.
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2020, 04:13:15 PM »
I have 373 kills of wirbles to 317 deaths. A 1.17 K/D, Im ok with that

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Re: I hate wirbs.
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2020, 04:40:34 PM »
I have 373 kills of wirbles to 317 deaths. A 1.17 K/D, Im ok with that

And how many of those kills and deaths are of/from planes?
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Re: I hate wirbs.
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2020, 05:24:06 PM »
I have 373 kills of wirbles to 317 deaths. A 1.17 K/D, Im ok with that

Is that K/D from playing it safe or frantically defending a base when you don't even have air cover?

K/D isn't everything, some of us want to have good fights. If I wanted a high K/D I would just fly a P-51 or Dora and just boom and zoom.

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« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2020, 05:56:37 PM »
And how many of those kills and deaths are of/from planes?

I didnt look, but Im sure its like 95% from planes as Im rarely in a vehicle.

Is that K/D from playing it safe or frantically defending a base when you don't even have air cover?

K/D isn't everything, some of us want to have good fights. If I wanted a high K/D I would just fly a P-51 or Dora and just boom and zoom.

What is "playing it safe"? Im playing a game, if I die I get a new plane and try again. If there is nothing else to shoot at I ping the crap out of any vehicle I see. Wirbles as not that tough to kill. Even with 50's you can kill their gun on a single pass. If you have a bomb they are very easy to kill.

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Re: I hate wirbs.
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2020, 06:19:34 PM »
I'd settle for wirb icons that are same for friendly and enemy.
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Re: I hate wirbs.
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2020, 07:02:19 PM »
I didnt look, but Im sure its like 95% from planes as Im rarely in a vehicle.

What is "playing it safe"? Im playing a game, if I die I get a new plane and try again. If there is nothing else to shoot at I ping the crap out of any vehicle I see. Wirbles as not that tough to kill. Even with 50's you can kill their gun on a single pass. If you have a bomb they are very easy to kill.

A single wirb is doable, but a network of them, at no real cost, is the game breaker. I'm not saying they should be taken out, it's that once there are 3 of them, doing fighter-bomber missions is impossible unless you are laggy or a tryhard, or managed to actually have enough altitude and a bomb to come in to take them out.

Then in 5 seconds they will up again, at no cost.
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Re: I hate wirbs.
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2020, 07:50:05 PM »
Wirbs and Osties are like free cup cakes for M-8 drivers.  They are so busy looking up they never notice the harmless little M-8’s passing through performing reconnaissance missions.

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Re: I hate wirbs.
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2020, 08:17:00 PM »
Good points. It is annoying that these things can be moving targets dumping hundreds of 20mm rounds at you when you try to strafe them.

i have damaged 100s of werbies secret is wait till they shoot at somebody else.


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Re: I hate wirbs.
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2020, 08:54:45 PM »
Problem is some whirbs can snipe you at 2k out when you are making a gun run and WOOP there goes half your wing.

They should have a burst limit on them - similar to like if you play call of duty and use the M16 and it has a 3 round burst mode.

So maybe then can fire 20-40 rounds, but have to wait 1-2 seconds for a period to reload, then fire again. Not sure how Aces High would model this.

If this cant be done, then perhaps make the whirbs perked at like 2-5 perks.
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Re: I hate wirbs.
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2020, 09:08:20 PM »
There are obviously ways to kill wirbs. I kill wirbs all the time. It is possible. I just want the dynamic to be different.

I am not asking for wirbs to be helpless, I'm just asking for some game mechanic changes to be made so that things get played differently.

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Re: I hate wirbs.
« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2020, 09:10:11 AM »
Good points. It is annoying that these things can be moving targets dumping hundreds of 20mm rounds at you when you try to strafe them.
How dare Wirb gunners try to kill me while i'm trying to kill them ?   :rofl
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Re: I hate wirbs.
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2020, 09:32:14 AM »
The WirbelGawd has tips for you.  With around 11,000 career kills in the Wirbelwind I think I can dispense some knowledge.  I have also killed a lot of Wirbels with bombs and tanks.  All those kills came with a lot of deaths and some hellacious fun misadventures. 

-Always assume a Wirble is present if there is GV dar.  You are lucky these days, it was not always this easy.

-Wait until a Wirbel is engaged with someone else to drop a bomb or shoot out their gun.  It takes precious seconds to get that turret swung around.  Work in tandem with someone if possible.

-Roll a tank out and kill the Wirbel. 

-Check field guns to see if you can smoke turret or kill the Wirbel if they are close to a friendly field.

-A smoking Wirbel is a useless Wirbel.  Don't kill it unless it is protecting a map room.  Let it rot.

-The Wirbels that sit on the concrete are not the dangerous ones.  You can see them easily and target them just as easily.  It's the Wirbels that roll out from the field aggressively and hunt for kills that are scary.

-Lastly, roll a Wirbel yourself every now and then.  It helps to understand their abilities and limitations yourself.

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