Ruger PC9 Carbine or S&W M&P Sport 2

[FLS]

Here you go. All you need is a pistol.   

[CptTrips]

I started with plinking, then getting out there just farther than the sons ar's, plinking and self defense sounds good, maybe I'm really talking two guns here.

Heh.  Obviously you need multiple guns.    Yeah, that's exactly how it starts. 

AR is my absolute last choice of a home defense weapon.  I want a .45 pistol with man-killer hollow-points.  I'd choose that over even a shotgun.  Any day of the week.   
If I'm maneuvering around doorways and hallways in tight confines, I don't want to be managing a long barrel.  And AR rounds would just go through too many walls for my liking.

Maybe since your son already has a Spray-n-Pray AR, you should get a budget precision rifle?  That way you'all can take turns playing Tony "Say Hello to My Little Friend" Montana with his tacticool and then take turns playing Carlos Hathcock with your precision boom-stick?

Or get both. 

[Hungry]

Here you go. All you need is a pistol.   

Holy Christopher! Nothing to it!  a 150 foot arc, note the time delay from the shot to the balloon popping, hehe

Hungry

[OldNitro]

Both of my .50BMG rifles have 8-36x60 on them..

My T/C Venture in .300Winmag, and Savage Stealth in .338Lapua both have 6-24x50..

My .224Valkyrie has 4-16x50.. 

My 7.5 and 10.5in AR pistols use T/dot dot scopes, 100% co/witnessed with the Irons..
Offer super fast target acquisition at shorter ranges..

I use no optics on my AKs, irons only.. Ace side folders complicate the optic configuration on AKs

Different sights/optics for different purposes, 

[Hungry]

I know in the past I've made the mistake of thinking "One Size Fits All" but in so many cases it really doesn't, usually turns out it doesn't do anything well.

I'm not rushing this one, with prices the way they are right now with everything going on, looks like I'll have plenty of time to make up my mind until they hopefully come back halfway to normal

Hungry

[Shuffler]

Obviously some on this thread are not familiar with ARs and their accuracy.

Now if you just want to throw shells an AK is fine. They are not accurate as they are rattle traps. Built to shoot while full of sand.

[Oldman731]

Since I retired I've been picking up woodworking pieces, table saw band saw and the like, woodworking is definitely cheaper to get into than guns, my oversize garage would never make it for a shooting range but makes a great little woodshop, lol (I know, everything has its high end mid range and low end)

Then no need to think about plastic guns!  Check here:

https://www.trackofthewolf.com/List/Category.aspx/588

- oldman (in PA, there's a special flintlock season)

[FLS]

...my oversize garage would never make it for a shooting range but makes a great little woodshop, ...

You only need 10 meters for air gun competition. You can improve your shooting with focused dry fire practice but hitting the target is more fun.

THis is a pretty cool device also if you have a rail on your pistol. https://mantisx.com/pages/how-it-works-1

[Hajo]

Which one? looks like they come in different power ranges?  Saw a nice scope this am that had a side lever that took it from 1 - 6x I think? Roughly close up tp 400 yards?  What range (yards) are you going for, or would do most of your shooting at.

Forgive me if its a silly question, still a grasshopper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuoyeNqRI8A

Hungry

Hungry

It's X3 with lighted sights.  Can choose red,green or the standard black.  Battery powered of course.

[Hungry]

Oldman  - FLS  Neat websites that'll keep me busy for awhile, Thanks

Hajo, Thanks

Hungry

[Hungry]

One down maybe one to go, Found the S&W AR Sport 2 at Grice in PA, (Oldman please don't tell me anything bad about them lol) under $600 ($589.) for the full on Magpul / M-Lok version, Iron sights, Yeeeaaaahh!

Not too bad also got 25 boxes of 20 Federal American Eagle 55 grain, FMJ at .32 a piece (ammo in stock, gun is also in stock)

This is the model number I listed in the first post, Holy Smokes, please someone tell me wtg or good deal or something! hehe

Hungry

[OldNitro]

Hungry:
WTG.. Hope ya get your hands on it before the situation gets worse..
Decent price too.. Hopefully the vendor doesn't dillydally.. Sometimes they do, 

Now they are talkin about shutting down gun stores, as non essential businesses.. 
Or, there is no one at the FBI to do background checks, so no gun sales..

Word is, they are starting to empty the jails..
People in Urban/Suburban areas better keep a gun handy!

[Oldman731]

Found the S&W AR Sport 2 at Grice in PA, (Oldman please don't tell me anything bad about them lol)

You have to visit Grice's to believe it.  It's the world's largest toy store.  Good bet.

- Oldman  (There was a Sako .243 that I so wanted to buy, but at the time had no money to grant the wish.

[CptTrips]

One down maybe one to go, Found the S&W AR Sport 2 at Grice in PA, (Oldman please don't tell me anything bad about them lol) under $600 ($589.) for the full on Magpul / M-Lok version, Iron sights, Yeeeaaaahh!

Not too bad also got 25 boxes of 20 Federal American Eagle 55 grain, FMJ at .32 a piece (ammo in stock, gun is also in stock)

This is the model number I listed in the first post, Holy Smokes, please someone tell me wtg or good deal or something! hehe

Hungry

Cool!  You saved enough money to get some accessories:

[Hungry]

Thanks to all for the great advice, I'm sure I'll have more questions

Can't wait to get it home

Hungry