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Offline CptTrips

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Carnivore Diet
« on: April 10, 2020, 11:03:44 PM »

OK, Chalenge.

How long you been on it?

What has been your biggest problem with it. 

Can you share any of your marker numbers?  Changes?

Diarrhea?

Keto flu?

Leg cramps?


Do you supplement?







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Re: Carnivore Diet
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2020, 11:20:25 PM »
I'm going to say it's been a year and a half? More like a year and eight months. I'm strictly on the meat, with just changes in salt and pepper, and some other spices. Occasionally, I change over and have hot wings, because I just miss them. I also eat white rice, but seldom. Like once a month seldom. Once a year I have liver and onions for the vitamins they have. I prefer elk liver, but beef if nothing else.

I eat pork, chicken, and turkey sausage every morning, because bacon can cause me fits. By fits I mean diarrhea, but I also suspect canola, and coconut oils might be the problem. I also have gall bladder issues, so the oils and fats can trigger that.

No keto flu. I do still get leg cramps occasionally, but only if a sleep with my legs crossed. That's supposed to be a diabetes issue.

I take a mix of calcium, magnesium, and zinc with an amino acid called L-arginine (for blood flow issues in the legs). Plus, one tablespoon of mustard to alleviate the cramping issues. It is important that you do not drink carbonated drinks, or the supplements just wash through and cannot be absorbed. Everything else is diabetes related.

The hardest part for me was giving up the Sam Adams and other alcohols.

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Re: Carnivore Diet
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2020, 12:12:29 AM »
This is probably more dangerous than politics or religion combine.  People get so hostile if you challenge their assumptions on nutrition.   :rofl

A year and half?!? I'm a newbie then.  I've done low carb in the past with success, but eventually fell off the wagon. 
I've been Carnivore since Jan 1.  I've been pretty strict except for coffee (because that's just the way it's gonna have to be!), minimal spices for my chicken wings and salmon.  And mushrooms.  I love mushrooms and I'm making a judgement call because they are technically not plants. ;)  They are actually closer to animals than plants.  And they go well drowned in KerryGold butter piled on my steak.  ;) ;)

I'd love to eat a large percentage of something like Elk if I could source it at a reasonable price.  I started getting this grass-fed ground beef from a Texas ranch that has  a mix of Beef, Beef Heart, Beef Spleen, Beef Kidney, Beef Liver.  It's not my favorite but packed with nutrition.  I fry up a small patty with my fried eggs in the morning. 

My biggest problems was starting to get leg cramps.  I was getting plenty of sodium and potassium in the diet, I was supplementing magnesium, I finally narrowed it down to calcium.  Probably because I had cut out all dairy and my body was used to a lifetime of that source. So until my system equalizes, I'll supplement.  No leg cramps since.




For the uninitiated, Carnivore is a restrictive diet where the intent is to only eat animal products. (Dairy/cheese is a gray area.  I've dropped it but some don't.)

It is an extension of the low carb diet approach, and can be similar to Keto, but does not require the strict fat/protein ratios.  But you can if you want.

The basic idea is that plants generally don't want to be eaten.  By us, or insects, or molds, or fungus.  While animals have teeth and claws to defend themselves, plants use chemical warfare.  Different people may have different sensitivities to the chemicals and while the reaction may not be instant and acute, the effects may be damaging over time.

A meat diet is very non-inflammatory.  It can be a food tool to heal various autoimmune diseases and reset peoples system.  Most people can eat most animal flesh (except maybe shellfish).  Most food allergies are plants.  That should tell you something.

In general, most people eat insane amounts of sugar and carbs (which is the same thing).  Every traditional culture that has adopted the modern standard western diet has seen metabolic disease skyrocket.  Manufactured Sugar is poison. Wheat/gluten are not much better. 

There has been a sub-group of "ZeroCarb" fans since the early 2000's.  So there is a fair amount of anecdotal data.  No one had starved to death or gotten scurvy.  Technically that name has gone out of favor because some animal products have minute amount of carbs.

More recently, the Carnivore diet has probably been popularized by Jordan and Mikhaila Perterson.  (and Dr. Baker)






But, but, don't you need fiber?


But, but, what about vitamin C?


But what's wrong with vegatables?






Like I said, I'm not sure this is permanent, but I like the results I'm getting so far.  The first 20lbs just came off effortlessly about 1/2 lb a day.  And I'm eating butter slathered ribeyes, so I'm getting plenty of calories.  Now it tends to plateau a couple of days and then boom I wake up down two pounds out of the blue.  Now that the weather is nicer, and I'm over the transition period, I intend to add exercise into the mix to keep pushing the results.

The other weird thing I've noticed is that my sleep has gotten a lot deeper.  I always thought I was a light sleeper, but I sleep like a dead person now.  Maybe hormonal, maybe losing the weight is keeping me from waking my self up snoring.  ;)


But is is an extreme diet.  Not one I'd recommend for most people.  Most people would probably be better off with a traditional low carb with intermittent fasting.

$0.02.

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Re: Carnivore Diet
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2020, 02:28:14 AM »
I was on low carb for a while.

It worked marvelously for losing weight for me and for several other people I know, as well as for some of them providing other health benefits, such as far better cholesterol profile.

I had occasional leg cramps, too.  Turned out eating a banana (I'm guessing for potassium) quickly (within 15 minutes) solved it whenever it occurred.  More calcium, magnesium, and zinc didn't do anything, so I don't think it was any of those.

Other than that, I had no troubles and felt great.  Energy all day.  Needed less sleep.  Not hungry in between meals.

But it was hard for me to stay on it.  It's more expensive, less convenient, less variety, and not easily compatible with many restaurants unless I order 2 meals to get 1 meal worth of low carb out of it.

I highly recommend it to people who are seriously wanting to lose weight.  I don't think any other diet really works anywhere near as well.  They all rely on calorie restriction, which results in your being hungry all the time.  I was never hungry in between meals on the low-carb diet.  I ate as much as I wanted, whenever I wanted, and always until I was full, and it still worked great.

One great book on the subject:  The Big Fat Surprise, by Teicholz.

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Re: Carnivore Diet
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2020, 02:44:45 AM »
so what I get from this is there are a few of you that just want meat.... :bolt:

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Re: Carnivore Diet
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2020, 09:39:04 AM »
Yes, meat is the best medicine to cure a lifetime of consuming the standard American diet.
 
Started 6 mos ago at 250#, insulin dependent diabetic, hypertension, obese.

Now 195# cured of above and free of all meds. I feel better than I have in 40 years, thinking of getting in shape for a 5K this summer at age 76.

recommended reading: "Lies My Doctor Told Me" by Dr. Ken Berry, "The Carnivore Code" by Dr. Paul Saladino

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Re: Carnivore Diet
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2020, 09:50:15 AM »
Yes, meat is the best medicine to cure a lifetime of consuming the standard American diet.
 
Started 6 mos ago at 250#, insulin dependent diabetic, hypertension, obese.

Now 195# cured of above and free of all meds. I feel better than I have in 40 years, thinking of getting in shape for a 5K this summer at age 76.

recommended reading: "Lies My Doctor Told Me" by Dr. Ken Berry, "The Carnivore Code" by Dr. Paul Saladino

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« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2020, 10:31:45 AM »
But it was hard for me to stay on it.  It's more expensive, less convenient, less variety, and not easily compatible with many restaurants unless I order 2 meals to get 1 meal worth of low carb out of it.

I highly recommend it to people who are seriously wanting to lose weight.  I don't think any other diet really works anywhere near as well.  They all rely on calorie restriction, which results in your being hungry all the time.  I was never hungry in between meals on the low-carb diet.  I ate as much as I wanted, whenever I wanted, and always until I was full, and it still worked great.

Yeah.  Long term calorie restriction is a dead-end.  Eventually, the body just reacts by lowering your metabolism.  In extended fasting, they are learning that you better strategy if to go no longer than a week.  Beyond that and the body starts to lower the metabolism even if you still have fat stores.  And you'll feel like crap with a slower metabolism which makes it even harder to lose weight. 

I agree there is a bit more hassle to eating low carb.  You are constantly swimming upstream against modern western culture. Not only do you have to fight uninformed people's narrow minded reactions like "that sounds stupid", but you are having to fight a vast Industrial Food Complex that wants to shove high-fructose corn syrup grain wrapped franken-foods down your throat.  Everything in our culture (including the Gov freakin food pyramid) is geared around shoving carbs down your throat.  Mainly because carbs are cheap and have better shelf life which is good for industry profits, not for you.

Yes, it feel more expensive in the short term, but later in life as you develop heart disease, Type II diabetes, Alzheimer's, arthritis, you might look back on the extra cost as having been cheap. 

Modern western medicine can be so blind.  Take Type II diabetes.  (Type I is a completely different story.)   Type II is almost a 100% lifestyle disease.  It is caused by a lifetime of carb eating.  Eating carbs causes Insulin to be released into the blood.  Constant Insulin levels eventually cause the body to become Insulin resistant. Insulin resistance prevents the body from scrubbing the excess glucose from the blood.  Result, high blood sugar.

So what is modern western medicine's solution?  Give you a needle and pump in more Insulin.   :O  Does that make any sense?  Maybe as a temporary intervention in a  dire case, but it can't be the intelligent  long term solution.  Instead, remove the carbs.  you reduce the glucose and you remove the Insulin, and allow the body to recover from it's Insulin resistance.

But big Pharma can sell doses of Insulin.  They can't sell low-carb/zero carb eating.  Only ranchers profit from that, and they don't have as effective a lobby.  ;)

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Re: Carnivore Diet
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2020, 11:30:38 AM »
Just for comparison, not that I were for or against any other of those:

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« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2020, 11:46:27 AM »
Just for comparison, not that I were for or against any other of those:

Yep.  And I can show you Vegan videos, and even Frutarian videos.  That's why I eventually just decided to do it and measure the blood markers before and after rather than get lost in the infinite arguments.  Look at the data, use your reason, make your choice, live with the consequences.

I have a theory that all these diets have some initial success simply because they are deviating from the standard American Diet which is the worst of all possible diets.  Which is best for you long term, you'll have to decide.

But for God's sake, at least get off the American Industrial Food Complex Diet.




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Re: Carnivore Diet
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2020, 12:00:04 PM »
Yep.  And I can show you Vegan videos, and even Frutarian videos.  That's why I eventually just decided to do it and measure the blood markers before and after rather than get lost in the infinite arguments.  Look at the data, use your reason, make your choice, live with the consequences.

I have a theory that all these diets have some initial success simply because they are deviating from the standard American Diet which is the worst of all possible diets.  Which is best for you long term, you'll have to decide.

But for God's sake, at least get off the American Industrial Food Complex Diet.
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« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2020, 12:09:17 PM »
That image gives yet another perspective to the old saying: "In America (or just Texas) everything is Bigger!"

Or "Let's make Americans Big again!"
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Re: Carnivore Diet
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2020, 12:14:49 PM »
I was going to ask why you are showing us a pair of beached whales but then I realized that those aren't whales, those are living garbage disposal units, industrial sized.

Heh, sad isn't it?  In my opinion, what you are probably seeing there is hormonal disruption do to being poisoned by their nations food system.  Those people are probably just a little more genetically sensitive to it.

I had a friend at work who used to give me the old "a calorie is a calorie" argument.  If you are fat, it can only be because you are eating too many calories. 

While a calorie is a calorie is true in the context of thermodynamics, it is not true in the context of the human body's complex hormonal system.

I offered a $500 wager.  For 6 months, we would each consume 2200 calories/day.  We would each agree to the same level of physical activity.
I would consume all my calories from meat products.  He would consume all his calories from spoonfuls of table sugar.  Nothing else.
If a calorie is a calorie, our resultant health outcomes should be identical.

He declined the wager.  ;)



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Re: Carnivore Diet
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2020, 12:19:12 PM »
diets are boring. I've lost over 60 lbs literally sitting in my sofa. which is funny because that's how i gained my weight.

don't start with exercise thingy.  i can't,  I'm stuck in the middle of stupidity based on law.

anyway i love variety, mix of fruits, vegetables and meat. I believe most diets fail because they're stupid to begin with. food is not only nourishing but it's supposed to be enjoyed too.

i normally don't eat sugar or sweet stuff, it makes me nauseous. but if i feel like eating a whole cheesecake or pecan pie, I'll do it. i just need 20 minutes in the bathroom. I'm sensitive to salt so i use very little, except on steaks.

some people rave on their diet or choice of food, sometimes i just want to laugh. like this vegan friend if mine, she loves jellow shots, go figure.

anyway enjoy what you eat but be conscious if what you eat.


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Re: Carnivore Diet
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2020, 12:26:47 PM »
some people rave on their diet or choice of food, sometimes i just want to laugh.

Do you mind sharing your BMI?  It's a rather crude measure but gives a ball park metric to work with.
https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/educational/lose_wt/BMI/bmicalc.htm

Mine was ~32 at Xmas.
It's ~28 now.
I need to get it to ~24 eventually.
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