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Offline Chalenge

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Re: Carnivore Diet
« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2020, 12:39:48 PM »
I forgot to mention how I handle snacking. Mikhaila suggest beef jerky, but any meat will do. I use beef and buffalo, but if I ever bag another elk that will get added too. Mikhaila actually has a video on how to go about it with dehydrators, but I find the oven works just fine. I keep about two pounds in the freezer.

One of my high school friends just bought a chunk of land in the wild NE of Washington where the Elk and wolves still roam. I may have to start a new YT series on hunting in deep snow.
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« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2020, 12:53:58 PM »
I forgot to mention how I handle snacking. Mikhaila suggest beef jerky, but any meat will do. I use beef and buffalo, but if I ever bag another elk that will get added too. Mikhaila actually has a video on how to go about it with dehydrators, but I find the oven works just fine. I keep about two pounds in the freezer.

One of my high school friends just bought a chunk of land in the wild NE of Washington where the Elk and wolves still roam. I may have to start a new YT series on hunting in deep snow.

I have a dehydrator.  I've been meaning to get around to making jerky.  Some people say salting and dehydrating liver makes it more palatable.  I can't image that being the case.  ;) ;)

I haven't really felt the need to snack much.  In fact, I have the opposite problem.  If I'm not careful, I can forget to eat at all if I'm busy.  All of the sudden it's like , "Crap.  It's 5pm and I've forgotten to eat!"  I try to avoid that.  I try to eat lunch at 11am and dinner at 7pm.  That keeps the furnace stoked.

I don't really get the same hunger signals I had my whole life.  That low blood sugar intense hunger.  It is more of a vague lowering of the energy level, and a mild brain fog.  Then I remember, Oh!  Fuel!   Stable blood sugar is an amazing experience.

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« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2020, 12:55:55 PM »
---I believe most diets fail because they're stupid to begin with. food is not only nourishing but it's supposed to be enjoyed too.
---anyway enjoy what you eat but be conscious if what you eat.
And how much you eat!

Right now I'm eating potato chips with beer. That's not my everyday diet, though. My BMI is 24.75 and it has been that way for a decade or more. It was less when I bought this house some 25 years ago. Since then I've gained both fat and muscles. I don't excercise as going to a gym or such, I only do a a 15 minutes workout semi-daily. "On the seventh day he rested...". But I tend to use my personal horsepowers whenever possible, like using the stairs instead of an elevator, or walking minor stretches instead of driving. My friends used to say that after 30 I'd start gaining weight. They were right, I've gained some 15 lbs since then. Since I stopped growing height in my late teens my BMI has raised from 20 to the current 24.75.

Needless to say, I've never been on a diet.

Trips, no wonder your friend didn't want to go on sugar only. Although it's been proved an urban legend that certain food consume more calories than they bring, the digestive system needs certain things to work. Sugar plus fibres is no answer since that won't activate the enzymes and other things that are needed for getting nourishment from meat or starch, not to mention vitamins and minerals. He would have starved while getting fat. Clever guy!
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« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2020, 01:05:58 PM »
Trips, no wonder your friend didn't want to go on sugar only. Although it's been proved an urban legend that certain food consume more calories than they bring, the digestive system needs certain things to work. Sugar plus fibres is no answer since that won't activate the enzymes and other things that are needed for getting nourishment from meat or starch, not to mention vitamins and minerals. He would have starved while getting fat. Clever guy!

So, a calorie is not a calorie.  Q.E.D.
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« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2020, 01:21:08 PM »
Needless to say, I've never been on a diet.

Well, give it time.  It started in the US, but it is spreading to Europe. 




The Brits used to make fun of us, but they are now giving us a run for the money.  Processed carbs and high-fructose-corn syrup.  Industrial Fraken-foods.






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« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2020, 01:55:43 PM »
Give it time, you say... As your charts show obesity is an issue here as well. I'm an exception of the rule.

My point is, it's not about diet, it's about knowing yourself. Knowing when you're hungry and more importantly knowing when you've eaten enough. Franken-foods (what a lovely word, thanks!) are an American invention ruining the good old healthy European cuisine and as such are a product of the Evil! We didn't even know corn syrup until the American food companies started to sell it for next to nothing!
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« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2020, 02:10:07 PM »


. . . Franken-foods (what a lovely word, thanks!) are an American invention ruining the good old healthy European cuisine and as such are a product of the Evil!

Actually, HFCS is a Japanese invention. HFCS was nicknamed "FrankenSugar" when it was criticized here in the 1990s.
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« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2020, 02:13:00 PM »
Give it time, you say... As your charts show obesity is an issue here as well. I'm an exception of the rule.

My point is, it's not about diet, it's about knowing yourself. Knowing when you're hungry and more importantly knowing when you've eaten enough.

I think if you started eating the same poisons, you would have most of the same results.  My guess is WHAT you eat is not as bad as what your average American eats.

Franken-foods (what a lovely word, thanks!) are an American invention ruining the good old healthy European cuisine and as such are a product of the Evil! We didn't even know corn syrup until the American food companies started to sell it for next to nothing!

Exactly my point!

Time and time again they've seen other cultures adopt our food system and their obesity rate skyrocket.  I believe that WHAT they have changed to eating is having a bigger effect than just eating more.   

There will come a time when the processed carb/sugar industry will face the same liability as the tobacco industry. 

A case in point, my recent weight loss.  I've dropped 25lb is 3 months and I've not yet added increased exercise.  I assure you I am eating as many or possibly more calories than before.  You should see the rib-eyes slathered in whole fat butter I'm eating every day.  lol I bet my calories have increase 20-30%.  I literally spoon drink my left over bacon fat.  :D

Merely changing WHAT I ate had an amazing result while not decreasing calories or adding exercise.  If a calorie is a calorie, why did merely changing the source of the calorie drop 25lb?

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« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2020, 02:18:17 PM »
Actually, HFCS is a Japanese invention. HFCS was nicknamed "FrankenSugar" when it was criticized here in the 1990s.

Yes.  But like everything America does, we took it to 11!!!!!!

And brought it to a truly awesome industrial scale.
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« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2020, 05:29:46 PM »
to be honest, i have no idea how to check my bmi.  but I do know this it has gone down a lot.  try not fitting into a 2x shirt, that's when I said bs.  my boss asked me to gt bigger uniforms, I said no, either I lose weight or you can fire me for not wearing proper atire.  and by that I meant i bought a bigger belt, coudnt zipper my pants but since there were only guys, they thought it was funny.  anyway i ended up getting fired, blah, blah, blah for another reason.

now I went from a size 46 pants to a 36.  my shirts from 2k is too small to large.  I still have all my "fat" clothes as most are brand new and it seems a waste to buy new ones.  so I wear suspenders for my pants and shorts.  once I lose another 20 or 30 lbs maybe I'll buy new ones.  anyway, most of my weight loss happened last year and early this year.

I dont really weight myself, only know I am 210 from going to the doctor a few weeks ago.  what I do is look in the mirros and think, really, I was never this fat.  so I eat basically the same food as I did before, except a little less. did cut down on my drinking a bit, maybe 1 or 2 beers less.

what I eat changed from when I was working, it would consist mainly of take out. was working 12 to 16 hours so no time to cook.  now I cook 99% of my food, perhaps that is what did it for me.  anyway I'll let you know what happens in a couple of months.


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« Reply #25 on: April 11, 2020, 05:37:52 PM »
Yes.  But like everything America does, we took it to 11 x 1,000,000,000!!!!!!

And brought it to a truly awesome industrial scale.

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« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2020, 06:26:09 PM »
I watched the first 3 vids and I was looking for what a typical day might ensue as far as what you would eat.Im assuming like most I would get tired of even steak if you had it all the time . Anmd I love my potatoes.

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« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2020, 07:40:21 PM »
I watched the first 3 vids and I was looking for what a typical day might ensue as far as what you would eat.Im assuming like most I would get tired of even steak if you had it all the time . Anmd I love my potatoes.

Yeah.  I loved my taters.  I loved my bread.  My mom makes homemade sourdough bread and biscuits.  Hmmm they are insane.   I love pizza.  I love beer.  I love sushi.  I just didn't love extra weight.   ;)

Some day if my weight get leveled out where I like it, those might be rare, once every couple of month treats.  Just not every day.  Or even every week. :rofl


Most days kinda look like today...

breakfast: Black coffee.  Electrolyte drink/supplements.  (Coffee is a plant product, but that one is not up for debate.  :D)

Brunch at ~11am.  4 fried eggs.  4 bacon strips.  1/2 pound patty of this stuff: https://www.nosetotail.org/product-page/primal-lite-ground-beef-w-organs or some left over meat. 

midday snack - I had a mug of bone broth because it was kinda rainy and dreary.

Dinner: Big ole rib-eye pan fried in ghee, covered with sauteed mushrooms in Kerry Gold butter.  (mushrooms are debatable, but they are not a plant, so I'm making a judgement call here!)


Brunch usually looks pretty much the same.  Sometimes scrambled eggs.  Sometimes regular hamburger or left over steak or roast, occasionally ground breakfast sausage.


Dinner alternates (probably 65% beef the rest for variety) ...  Rib-eye, roasts (chuck/cross-rib/etc), chicken wings, salmon and shrimp, Ribs, Cornish hens, ground beef patties, skirt steak, ground lamb.

I used to drink LA Croix sparkling water a lot.  But I've been out (and it's not worth going to the store for), so just drinking ice water for last week or so.  It's delicious.  I actually think I may not go back.   ;)

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« Reply #28 on: April 12, 2020, 03:34:39 AM »
I love the same foods as you do. Taters, bread, pizza, beer... I've only had sushi a couple of times and it was good but it's not something I'd call "home cooking" - yet. I can remember when pizza came!

Semp has a point in home cooking, knowing what you're eating is an important factor. I rarely buy a hamburger, they make me feel like I've stuffed my stomach with something yet leaving me hungry. I suppose the McD burgers are similar in America, the recipes shouldn't change by country.

For comparison, here's my typical day:
Breakfast: One cup of muesli with unsweetened unflavoured yoghurt, two mugs of juice cooked from berries from my garden, two mugs of black coffee, two slices of grainy sourdough rye bread with butter and salami/ham/some other meat cutlery.
Brunch: Rarely. The nourishment experts say that it would be healthy for keeping the sugar level balanced. They also say that your system adapts to your habits. I've had no brunch since the early eighties so I guess my system now has learned.
Midday snack: On weekends only, two mugs of black coffee and some slices of white bread with cheese.
Dinner: Potatoes or pasta, rarely rice (my wife doesn't like it) with about 150 g of meat, usually pork or chicken, or salmon. Whole, sliced, minced depending on the recipe. Occasional vegetables, cooked and/or raw. Water or cultured milk.
Evening snack: Beer, wine or Scotch, one or two on weekdays, more on weekends. Sometimes potato chips or salted nuts.

Your daily portion of protein would feed both myself and my wife for half a week!


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Re: Carnivore Diet
« Reply #29 on: April 12, 2020, 01:30:09 PM »
Semp has a point in home cooking, knowing what you're eating is an important factor.

I totally agree.  If you can do nothing else, making your own food at home goes a long way to avoiding the problems.
But most Americans now days are pressed for time and tend to turn to takeout and convenience foods.  When both parents work full-time jobs in addition to running kids around to constant extra-curricular activities on weekends, it's hard to cook every meal at home from scratch.

Your diet looks better to me that what I suspect most Americans eat typically. Probably not a vast difference in calories, but a difference in WHAT you are eating.  I didn't see you mentioning grabbing McDonalds egg McMuffin, or quarter pounder with fries, or frozen pizza, or guzzling Mountain Dew and indulging in a late night microwave Hot Pocket.   ;) 

Not so much how many calories you consumed (though yours may have been somewhat less), but the quality of what you ate.

As a bachelor programmer working long crunch hours, I had gotten into a lot of bad habits.  No time to shop or cook, my kitchen was often empty except for coffee.  I'd just say whatever, I'll stop by and get a bacon,egg,cheese bagel on the way to work.  Yeah, lets just graba quick burger and fries for lunch.  No food at home, I'll grab a 6 pack on the way home and order pizza.  :D  Coffee to wind me up, beer to unwind.  Oh, and free coffee at work.  Sometimes I had drank so much by afternoon my hands would shake like I had palsy.  :rofl 

A decade of that wrecked my metabolism. So yeah, I might need an intervention as extreme as a Carnivore diet to reset my hormonal system.  I used to be thin as a rail until I hit about 35.

You heard from Chalenge and Wildin the drastic improvements they achieved.  I could point you to sites with hundred of similar testimonials.  Especially people autoimmune problems, skin/joint problems, or a lot of recovering ex-Vegans who had wrecked their bodies.  It a powerful elimination diet that provides you body with reparative nutrients.  After you get detoxed and stabilized, you can add back thing carefully and see what you can tolerate. Or if you like it and it works for you you can stay that way.  Many people have for decades and are thriving.

Still, as I've said, it's not for everyone.  I think most people would find a traditional low glycemic/low carb diet with intermittent fast easier to maintain.  I may end up back there eventually.  But for now it's working for me, I don't find it too burdensome, and my health is improving very quickly; so if something is working, I'll run with it.  :D

I thought this was an interesting high level executive summary of Carnivore.



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