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Offline SmokinLoon

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190F-8 with 8/50kg bombs
« on: April 12, 2020, 07:03:24 PM »
Please consider adding the center line mount for the 4/50kb bombs. That way in addition to the shackles for the 4/50 kg bombs a total of 8 can be carried. Yes, this was a legit feature and yes it was factory produced, no field mod involved. This would be the only single engine fighter/bomber with 8/50kg (100 lb equivalent) bombs adding ANOTHER unique feature to AH. 

Oh... and while you're at it perhaps the 4/50kg center line mount for the 109G-6? Yes, this was a legit feature and yes it was factory produced, no field mod involved. I believe I have a photo of the 109G-2 with the 4/50kg bombs (but not the G-6), I'll have to dig.

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Re: 190F-8 with 8/50kg bombs
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2020, 07:07:33 PM »
Tough killing gvs with those small bombs. But sounds fun.

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Re: 190F-8 with 8/50kg bombs
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2020, 11:47:18 PM »
now this would be fun  +1
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Re: 190F-8 with 8/50kg bombs
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2020, 10:34:18 AM »
Here is another bit of information, though I can't find any photos showing this configuration the Fw190F-8 did have the ability to mount 3/250 kg bombs (1 under each wing, 1 under center line). Oh, and further info on the case for the center line 4/50kg bombs as well:   

"There were also several conversion kits developed for the F-8, which included the Fw 190 F-8/U1 long range , fitted with under wing shackles to hold two 300 L (80 US gal) fuel tanks. ETC 503 bomb racks were also fitted, allowing the Fw 190 F-8/U1 to carry one SC 250 bomb under each wing and one SC 250 bomb on the centreline." Then later is also reads "The ER4 allows to adapt the ETC 501 under the fuselage to replace the bomb (SC250 or 500) by 4 of 50 kg."

Source: Focke-Wulf Fw190, Vol. 3: 1944-1945 Volume 3, by J. Richard Smith 
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Re: 190F-8 with 8/50kg bombs
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2020, 10:42:17 AM »
Tough killing gvs with those small bombs. But sounds fun.

Bah. :)   You're going about it the wrong way. You can currently take up a Fw190F-8 with the 250kg and the 4/50kg bombs and be set for 1 hard armored gv and 4 light armored gv's.... and you still have the guns if you fail. The 50kg bombs make M3's, M8's, and M18's go puuf very easily, or at a minimum blow tires, damage tracks, or damage turrets. You don't need the big ordnance to destroy the lightly armored (or soft) gv's. Likewise, I never up a tank with AP only, I always take HE to use vs those same targets (and wirby's too!). You don't need to hit them to damage or destroy them. Think of all the times you hit a soft gv with an AP round and nothing happens. If you hit those soft gv's with an HE round it will go puuf. If you miss and hit the ground nearby you will blow tires, damage tracks, or damage turrets, and then the next round you fire will be the killer. Cheers!
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Re: 190F-8 with 8/50kg bombs
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2020, 02:07:22 PM »
I think 110 lb bomb's would make a  nice tank killer. +1

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Re: 190F-8 with 8/50kg bombs
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2020, 07:14:05 AM »
The centre line 4x50kg rack on the 109 series and 190 series .. Hells yeah!  :rock
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Re: 190F-8 with 8/50kg bombs
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2020, 01:41:20 PM »
I has picturez of the 190F-8 with the 8 50kg bombs... where do I send?

I have a 190G series photo with the 3/250 kg bombs. Same as 190F-8 except the G series has drop tank shackles on the wings for long range ground attack duty. 
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Re: 190F-8 with 8/50kg bombs
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2020, 01:52:19 PM »
I has picturez of the 190F-8 with the 8 50kg bombs... where do I send?

I have a 190G series photo with the 3/250 kg bombs. Same as 190F-8 except the G series has drop tank shackles on the wings for long range ground attack duty.

Are they already hosted online somewhere?

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Paste in the image url.  :)

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Re: 190F-8 with 8/50kg bombs
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2020, 04:50:49 PM »
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Re: 190F-8 with 8/50kg bombs
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2020, 11:42:28 AM »


There is the center line mount with the 4/50 kg bombs on the 190F-8.

EDIT: I've seen this photograph on a few different websites and one of the captions says this is an A series with an adapter to the standard bomb rack (a bomb shackle mounted to a bomb shackle) to allow the 4/50 kg bombs to be used until the F/G series were made in high numbers. It would make sense because the actual photos I have of the F-8 show the  four center line mounted 50 kg bombs to be mounted much tighter or closer to the fuselage. 
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Re: 190F-8 with 8/50kg bombs
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2020, 11:45:56 AM »


This is representation of the F-8 with the 8/50 kg bombs. I know it technically doesn't "qualify" per HTC standards as proof... but I don't think the author pulled this out of thin air. 
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Re: 190F-8 with 8/50kg bombs
« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2020, 02:33:19 PM »
and just for good measure....



If you really want to see the 190F-8 usage skyrocket.... HTC will allow the dual MG151 guns pods, (six 20mm, just like the 410), or the Mk103 30mm guns pods, or the Mk 108 30mm gun pods to be mounted.  ;)   
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Re: 190F-8 with 8/50kg bombs
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2020, 03:37:26 PM »

Technical drawings from A.L. Bentley are all over the interwebs, but I can't get them to save nor share (copyrighted, I'm guessing). I'm not sure of the source these drawings were published in, but 1977 was the year.
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