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Offline Ramesis

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« Reply #30 on: May 08, 2020, 07:48:43 AM »
45% of all the cars registered in the USA are foreign made.

The ship on global trade sailed too long ago to bring it home now. Just imagine the cost and organization required to repatriate the manufacturing of every single product we purchase.

Any one seen China made cars on the road?
I was not referring to all manufacturing... just the critical manufacturing  :salute
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« Reply #31 on: May 08, 2020, 07:59:31 AM »
I will ask one question to those who believe that we should make everything here, blah blah blah;Are you willing to lower your wages so that said products are affordable? Otherwise no one will buy them.

You don't have to lower wages. Lower taxes and regulations and incentivize business to build and manufacture here. The zone economy does not benefit with outsourced labor. That is what you are seeing in high taxed, highly regulated San Francisco with the highest level of homelessness. There is so much inequality as you call it because the middle class jobs were shipped to China while the administration jobs are in California. You need about 30  manufacturing jobs for every administrator. See how that works? Then they tell us how unfair America is while go build up a economy for a regime that treats its people like cattle. The hypocrisy is an outrage. We built standards here for a reason and its crazy that companies can go to another country and skirt those standards to "make cheap products.". Eventually those products aren't going to be so cheap anymore. China is using our own kindness to build them up to take advantage of us and manipulate our governments. They don't deserve our money.

I am not a person who believes we should only trade in America, but we should only trade with countries who aren't trying to lobby against America's interest and change its foundation thru bribes. Americans shouldn't be punished with high taxes and regulations so those business cannot compete with the rest of the world. Its simple common sense.
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« Reply #32 on: May 08, 2020, 08:58:53 AM »
No one said cannot. But logically, do you want to hazard a guess how much time and how much investment it would take to build the factories, hire and train the staff, and not the least of it.... find the money to create this American enterprise? And remember, we live in a free society so who's going to order all this repatriation of manufacturing? The Government? If anything sounds socialist, that does. Lastly, do you the sources of real American Dollars are going to make an investment of this magnitude out of some "buy American" patriotism? They were the ones that took it offshore in the first place.

It is just a matter if time before this will jump up and really harm the country seriously. This time it is just a blip and cost lives.
How many lives are you willing to give up by not starting the process? I mean when it gets real serious.
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« Reply #33 on: May 08, 2020, 09:11:35 AM »
It is just a matter if time before this will jump up and really harm the country seriously. This time it is just a blip and cost lives.
How many lives are you willing to give up by not starting the process? I mean when it gets real serious.

Then I will ask you again.... who is going to order the process to start. There is no inherent philanthropy in a free market economy.
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« Reply #34 on: May 08, 2020, 09:26:43 AM »
In the early 1930's a political leader blamed a race for all the problems faced by his country.

In 2020 history repeats.

Neither leader was right and nor were / are the followers.

This is just wrong. It's the CPP to blame and not the people.
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« Reply #35 on: May 08, 2020, 09:30:25 AM »
Then I will ask you again.... who is going to order the process to start. There is no inherent philanthropy in a free market economy.

The problem isn't the market, but the tax system. About 15 years ago someone here in the US spent a few million researching the best system to replace what we have, but it would take power away from those in charge so it's not going to happen. The immediate effect of implementing that system would be product prices dropping by 50% (at least) and zero loss in profits. The system still had its critics and there were problems that were not fully addressed, but it would have the effect of drawing businesses back into the US.
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« Reply #36 on: May 08, 2020, 09:57:02 AM »
The problem isn't the market, but the tax system. About 15 years ago someone here in the US spent a few million researching the best system to replace what we have, but it would take power away from those in charge so it's not going to happen. The immediate effect of implementing that system would be product prices dropping by 50% (at least) and zero loss in profits. The system still had its critics and there were problems that were not fully addressed, but it would have the effect of drawing businesses back into the US.

The business I work at spends 70K a year on Payroll taxes for 13 employees. Thats 20% higher than the national income average.

I could hire 2 more people or pay our employees 10% more if we didn't have to cover that cost. Then the government goes off and hands it over to a Paris accord for the benefit of the climate.........  (thank God not any more). This is just one reason why I am so fed up with these people.
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« Reply #37 on: May 08, 2020, 10:32:21 AM »
Then I will ask you again.... who is going to order the process to start. There is no inherent philanthropy in a free market economy.

Oh it definitely is not one person's call. Folks will have to decide where to buy their products. You either support the communist by buying chinese, or you don't.

It is definitely everyone's choice to make.
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« Reply #38 on: May 08, 2020, 10:41:54 AM »
Quote from: DmonSlyr link=topic=399970.msg5302171#msg5302171 date=1588942771 posted this as if corporations paid tax and the current administration isn't stripping regulation away as fast as possible
Lower taxes and regulations and incentivize business to build and manufacture here.


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« Reply #39 on: May 08, 2020, 10:50:30 AM »
I thought the US pulled out of the Paris accord,so why is the government handing money over?  Or is this just more rhetoric/reddit BS?

  Now I just bought a TV,well if was a few weeks ago,it's made in China by a Korean company,so did I pay china for it or did I pay Korea for it?
Oh and if it was subject to tariffs,does China pay them or Korea or is it actually me who pays it?

  I got lots of questions,who has the answers?


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« Reply #41 on: May 08, 2020, 11:20:45 AM »
I thought the US pulled out of the Paris accord,so why is the government handing money over?  Or is this just more rhetoric/reddit BS?

  Now I just bought a TV,well if was a few weeks ago,it's made in China by a Korean company,so did I pay china for it or did I pay Korea for it?
Oh and if it was subject to tariffs,does China pay them or Korea or is it actually me who pays it?

  I got lots of questions,who has the answers?


    :salute

PS: I'd rather be fishing.

The business I work at spends 70K a year on Payroll taxes for 13 employees. Thats 20% higher than the national income average.

I could hire 2 more people or pay our employees 10% more if we didn't have to cover that cost. Then the government goes off and hands it over to a Paris accord for the benefit of the climate.........  (thank God not any more). This is just one reason why I am so fed up with these people.

But I can tell you we are still sending money over seas to hundreds of nations in "AID".

Somehow we are still the bad guys... certainly makes you wonder.

If all you care about is cheap products, why do you and the naysayers insist that America is unfair and immoral rather than China? Our products are not as cheap because we care about the quality of our people in the work force. We have high standards, high regulation cost for those standards, and pay very high taxes to maintain a huge government that's suppose to support Americans only.

Why do they bash America while giving China the benefit of the doubt? If all you care about is low prices, than I suggest you rethink your moral compass and tell your clowns to stop crapping all over America every chance they get.

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Ironic that you would post a guy who called out all of the China sell out actors crapping over Americans who made them rich and famous in the first place, at the Oscar's.  :aok
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« Reply #42 on: May 08, 2020, 11:36:57 AM »
There is not any nationalism anymore by our leaders or the people.

Its either about how many $$$ I can make or how many $$$$ can I save

They don't care where it was created only how many $$$ did the cheap labor make for me or how many $$$ did it save me....

Everyone cant live without their toys and they want them as cheap as possible

Sooner than this virus is out of the news any serious thought of increasing manfacturing costs and thus the price of things will be long gone...

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« Reply #43 on: May 08, 2020, 11:38:51 AM »
There is not any nationalism anymore by our leaders or the people.


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« Reply #44 on: May 08, 2020, 11:51:00 AM »
Lol, bring manufacturing back to the US.  Who's gonna do it?  Plenty of positions available already.  I work in a mold making shop and it is almost impossible to find people willing to work in the skilled trades.  That is a problem throughout the entire industry.

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