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[NatCigg]

We have seen instances in past years when a deadlier-than-normal flu virus was going around to make sure you got your shots, etc.  Its just that there's a large amount of herd immunity to the flu... they aren't "novel" viruses.  So they don't spread so easily, a large portion of the population can already resist them. Otoh, no one has immunity to covid-19 already.  Everyone's going to catch it, its just a matter of when.  If everyone catches it too quickly, then the hospitals get overwhelmed and people that could have survived given a non-overwhelmed hospital system will die.

The latter outcome is still on the table given that we're re-opening too soon (virus referenced). 

P.s. I'm well aware that what's too soon for the virus is too late for businesses.  These two things are in conflict.  What's too soon for defeating the virus is too late for the economy. That's just two facts the politicians are going to reconcile in all different ways.  The correct question is: How many people do you want to die for the economy? Its really that simple. If you say, "none", then you're just as unrealistic as the people who think we should never have shut them down in the first place.

to soon? whats the end? waiting for a vaccine?  Our hospital system just laid off 200 nurses!  So much for over crowded hospitals! Leadership seems to be in a race to have the most appeasing story. politics!

[morfiend]

LOL. I did not know. <S> Sir and stay safe.
She is retired like me - retired before we moved to this area.

 Thx and I am! We started social distancing in early Dec. as we both had some strange flu/cold.I missed s bunch of my Grandson's hockey games as a result but we didnt want to share the fun with others.

  So you're both living the good life,enjoy it!  Getting old isnt for the faint at heart!

   BTW I knew for a long time you lived here,we have a mutual acquaintance from the game.

   

[Eagler]

If incubation is 2 to 3 weeks shouldn't each expansion of the reopening of things have that time frame between each of them?

Why are states progressing faster reopening than testing would show if what they have reopened actually changed anything or not?

As hospitals are not overwhelmed I think they are trying to save their ecomonies.

Our maybe they realize they might have overstepped with the universal lockdowns in the first place?

The fear has been planted - the damage has been done.

Eagler

[Shuffler]

Obviously covid19 has been fairly docile with so many having it and needing no hospitalization. Many barely have a cold.

[Busher]

Obviously covid19 has been fairly docile with so many having it and needing no hospitalization. Many barely have a cold.

Yup, only 88,031 deaths in 5 months; 1,858 today. Yup docile.

The Vietnam War caused 58,209 deaths and that took 8 years; and $168 billion (almost $1 trillion in 2020 dollars).

[Shuffler]

Yup, only 88,031 deaths in 5 months; 1,858 today. Yup docile.

The Vietnam War caused 58,209 deaths and that took 8 years; and $168 billion (almost $1 trillion in 2020 dollars).

Covid may have taken a lot less money wise. The money blown was mostly wasted elsewhere and on deadbeats.

[DmonSlyr]

Yup, only 88,031 deaths in 5 months; 1,858 today. Yup docile.

The Vietnam War caused 58,209 deaths and that took 8 years; and $168 billion (almost $1 trillion in 2020 dollars).

Again... how many deaths did we have as of the end of April 2018 compared to the end of April 2020?

If the # is relatively the same. Than we can conclude that they are just counting daily deaths for optics to scare people and keep the economy closed.

[Puma44]

Again... how many deaths did we have as of the end of April 2018 compared to the end of April 2020?

If the # is relatively the same. Than we can conclude that they are just counting daily deaths for optics to scare people and keep the economy closed.

From Health.com concerning the flu virus:

“This year's flu season is shaping up to be possibly less severe than the 2017-2018 season, when 61,000 deaths were linked to the virus. However, it could equal or surpass the 2018-2019 season's 34,200 flu-related deaths.

Overall, the CDC estimates that 12,000 and 61,000 deaths annually since 2010 can be blamed on the flu. Globally, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that the flu kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year. “

[BoilerDown]

If you're implying a contrast to Covid to make it seem not so bad, its not working.

A large proportion of the population is exposed to the flu to reach those numbers. Covid has only reached a few percent of the population to exceed a bad flu year in only 2 months.  We're on pace for 500,000 deaths this year, assuming the death rate doesn't increase when we open up for business, but of course, the death rate will increase.

Edit to add: Social distancing probably did wonders to knock down many viruses, not just covid. Even in the short time we did it, its possible some rarer viruses were driven to extinction.

[Puma44]

Not implying anything.  Just presenting some numbers.

If you’re implying deaths from “common flu” seem not so bad, that isn’t working either.

[NatCigg]

Again... how many deaths did we have as of the end of April 2018 compared to the end of April 2020?

If the # is relatively the same. Than we can conclude that they are just counting daily deaths for optics to scare people and keep the economy closed.

Deaths are 2x higher than year over year.  scaring people is just as real as the virus.

watch out for building on assumptions.  Its a complete waste of time if you are wrong. 

in other news. adding zinc to hcq has shown to reduce severe outcomes 50% vs. no zinc.  makes logical sense too. hcq has been shown to be a zinc ionophore.  The doctors are getting better information every day!

[Chalenge]

Social distancing is killing your immune system. Admittedly it is at a slower rate than Covid would, but just think of how many newborns will pay the price for this policy.

[NatCigg]

chalange, you should not talk of these things until after the election. 

The leaders have been telling such a good story!  Dont muddle it with truth!

[Busher]

chalange, you should not talk of these things until after the election. 

The leaders have been telling such a good story!  Dont muddle it with truth!

Aw C'mon. Ya gotta admit Bill Pullman said it better.

[Shuffler]

If you're implying a contrast to Covid to make it seem not so bad, its not working.

A large proportion of the population is exposed to the flu to reach those numbers. Covid has only reached a few percent of the population to exceed a bad flu year in only 2 months.  We're on pace for 500,000 deaths this year, assuming the death rate doesn't increase when we open up for business, but of course, the death rate will increase.

Edit to add: Social distancing probably did wonders to knock down many viruses, not just covid. Even in the short time we did it, its possible some rarer viruses were driven to extinction.

No one knows how many have had covid19. They do know that many more than what have been tested have had it and are over it already.