College football 2020

[Shuffler]

Man, Shuffler -- my best wishes to you and your wife.

I'm hoping that it is very mild for her.

Sounds like Paxlovid might be a promising treatment if given early, but is new, so who knows, and might not be much available yet.  I guess main treatment these days is monoclonal antibodies, also if given early.  I don't know what doctors typically are recommending these days other than nothing.  What's your doctor recommending?

Thanks!  She had fever, aches and pains, sore throat yesterday. All they told her was to take vitamin C, and zinc, along with plenty of liquids and maybe some cough syrup if needed. She woke up feeling better today.

We have 4 at the shop out testing positive. none of them even feel bad.

[Brooke]

OK, very glad to hear that she is feeling better.  Same with your guys at the shop.

Too bad standard of care still seems to be "do nothing until you are sick enough to go to the hospital".

I'm not a doctor and can't give medical advice.  Only commenting on things I've read, like taking aspirin for anti-inflammatory and anti-coagulant properties (but have to be careful if already on a blood thinner), taking quercetin along with zinc (to help get zinc into cells as an ionophore), taking vitamin D, and using Scope mouthwash (to help cut down viral load in throat).  These are things I can ask my doctor about, and they are all well-known non-prescription items.

I, myself, am also interested in Ivermectin, but most doctors don't think highly of that.

I'm hoping Paxlovid pans out.  That one seems promising from what is so far written about it.  But as it is new, it might take a while before it is even available.

[DmonSlyr]

Based on many accounts I have read, Ivermectin seems to be a wonderful drug that the big pharma fascist don't want to allow.  Tons of studies out there that are very promising for Ivermectin treating cancers and other diseases. It's a shame big pharma fascist has such a grip on the medical industry.

[Arlo]

Where do you find these accounts lauding the miracle snake oil? 

[Brooke]

Where do you find these accounts lauding the miracle snake oil? 

With respect to Ivermectin for Covid, one of them is:

https://ivmmeta.com/

[Arlo]

55% mortality hardly seems a ringing endorsement. 

[potsNpans]

Only time now I can stand to watch sports is when there's a chant of "Lets go Brandon". Heck I almost cried when NHL went woke'.
Thank the Gods for UFC channel.

[Arlo]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2021/12/21/the-lets-go-brandon-meme-is-hilarious-and-heres-why/?sh=6ea066dfce4b

 

[Arlo]

[Brooke]

55% mortality hardly seems a ringing endorsement. 

If you are referring to the link I posted, you are confusing % improvement with death %.

50% is the improvement, not death rate.  It means if you have a 0.2% death rate in the control group and a 0.1% death rate in the treatment group, it is a 50% improvement (i.e., half the deaths go away).  A 100% improvement would be a death rate of zero with treatment -- i.e., 100% of the deaths go away, not that treatment gives you 100% death rate.

By the way, I wouldn't go by the meta analysis given in that reference.  I like that reference more for the quick summaries (like how many deaths per N in treatment vs. control group), and clickable reference to the papers for reading.  I read a few of them to see if the studies looked to me like crap or not.

[Arlo]

50% is the improvement, not death rate.

It says 55% mortality. Mortality typically indicates death in spite of treatment. Words matter. If that supposedly requires 'clarification/translation' then data misuse or massaging becomes the issue. 

[DmonSlyr]

Here's why I question this so much. So many people without prescriptions be like:

 "ohh I take Adderall before tests and stay up for 24 hours to study, regardless of negative side effects that may happen."

"Oh I like doing Xanax and tabs when I drink because it really makes me feel good" regardless of the negative side effects.

"Oh I love doing Molly and extacy at raves" even though it's really dangerous.

"Oh acid was really cool one time" even though it's extremely dangerous.

"Oh Opoids are incredibly addicting but they make feel so good" regardless of the negative side effects. Infact, I lost a 16 to year old friend to friend to prison that ruined his life because of addicting opiods, I don't remember big media and big pharma shutting those down for overdoses and malfeasance.

"Oh I smoke Marijuana because it makes me feel good" regardless of the negative side effects that may happen.

"All drugs should be legalized, who cares about how addicting herion and meth are. They can get help" regardless of the negative side effects and consequences.


But the second I say, "hey man, there's a lot of positive studies coming out about Ivermectin that can treat a lot of diseases actually it's showing. It will probably help you get over the virus much faster and clean out any potentially harmful parasites you don't know about.

They be like "I ain't taking no horse paste, that stuff could be dangerous".

🤦‍♂️

[Arlo]

So your rationale follows that since people abuse drugs Ivermectin is good, especially if there are people that claim its a veterinary treatment turned wonder drug? Well, that's, uh, weird. 

[DmonSlyr]

So your rationale follows that since people abuse drugs Ivermectin is good, especially if there are people that claim its a veterinary treatment turned wonder drug? Well, that's, uh, weird. 

Not even close to my rationale. My rational is the same people abusing those drugs are the same people saying Ivermectin is bad which makes 0 since logically.

[Arlo]

Not even close to my rationale. My rational is the same people abusing those drugs are the same people saying Ivermectin is bad which makes 0 since logically.

Zero sense, logically, seems to closely resemble your presumptive 'reasoning.'