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Re: Car dealers going out of business?
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2020, 06:00:08 PM »
Did you make this post after a bad experience with a car dealer?

Just as curious.

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Re: Car dealers going out of business?
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2020, 06:28:19 PM »
Did you make this post after a bad experience with a car dealer?

Just as curious.

Re: Car dealers going out of business?

You obviously don't want to state your opinion. If I troll one of your threads you have every right to report me to HiTech. That is why we have Rule 4.
I honestly do not remember you posting on one of my threads or at the very least did not see it.

I have had good experiences and bad experiences at the local dealer. I bought 5 or 6 vehicles in a row from the same dealer.
When I asked to test drive their first EV the salesman tried to get me to look at one of the other vehicles. My diesel truck is 18 years old but still runs like
new and the paint looks like when I bought it new in 2002. I have had to go to other mechanics for repairs or maintenance because the dealer does not have veteran mechanics
that know diesels. The 7.3L Ford Powerstroke is a great engine (made by International) and should last a long time, as long as I take for service to a veteran independent mechanic.

Every post in the forum is an opinion. If you have a problem with an opinion simply site your source or state your reason why you disagree with Car Dealers going out of business?

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Re: Car dealers going out of business?
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2020, 06:50:36 PM »
I have absolutely no problem with anyone stating their "opinion". But when that individual makes statements that are blatantly false, I see a need to question such statements. No matter how uncomfortable questioning may be for all parties.

 I have yet to "troll" a thread, but I did ask if your intention is to once again spout suppositions. You have yet to answer that question  and you attempt to "troll".

 Enjoy this thread. Your non-answer is answer enough.

 While this thread could be enlightening for many, I believe it will most likely follow your previous format in stating falsehoods and "opinions" about something I doubt you know very much about...


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Re: Car dealers going out of business?
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2020, 07:08:19 PM »
.......then why are dealers going to continue to thrive?  Simple question.
You obviously know, then enlighten us. Why side step everything?
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Re: Car dealers going out of business?
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2020, 08:23:05 PM »
i believe in ca only ev will be sold starting in 2035. even then perhaps 5 years before most will be gasoline or hybrid.

the millions of cars on the road aren't gonna disappear overnight. so maybe somewhere around 2040 dealers will be affected. i guess we are talking mechanics shops.

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Re: Car dealers going out of business?
« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2020, 11:07:56 PM »
I have absolutely no problem with anyone stating their "opinion". But when that individual makes statements that are blatantly false, I see a need to question such statements. No matter how uncomfortable questioning may be for all parties.

...

 While this thread could be enlightening for many, I believe it will most likely follow your previous format in stating falsehoods and "opinions" about something I doubt you know very much about...

Are you at least going to inform us which statements you think are blatantly false?
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Re: Car dealers going out of business?
« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2020, 07:17:00 AM »
Who will pay for the charging stations needed around the country for the EV's?

Where does that power come from and how does that source not pollute?

EV maybe the way of the future but it is not an oil industry killer many are hoping it to be..but those are the same folks who think oil is not needed for all plastic products and things like car tires..

Like most green projects it would not survive without tax dollar assistance..

Wait until you see how the new gang in DC will piss away your money on immature  "green" projects..it will be 2009 all over again

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Re: Car dealers going out of business?
« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2020, 07:33:32 AM »
Isn't the petro industry subsidized by the Feds?


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Re: Car dealers going out of business?
« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2020, 11:14:09 AM »
It is vidal to national defense...solar panels and windmills are not

Not to mention oil is in the majority of the products we use daily

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Re: Car dealers going out of business?
« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2020, 12:04:32 PM »
Re: Car dealers going out of business?

You obviously don't want to state your opinion. If I troll one of your threads you have every right to report me to HiTech. That is why we have Rule 4.
I honestly do not remember you posting on one of my threads or at the very least did not see it.

I have had good experiences and bad experiences at the local dealer. I bought 5 or 6 vehicles in a row from the same dealer.
When I asked to test drive their first EV the salesman tried to get me to look at one of the other vehicles. My diesel truck is 18 years old but still runs like
new and the paint looks like when I bought it new in 2002. I have had to go to other mechanics for repairs or maintenance because the dealer does not have veteran mechanics
that know diesels. The 7.3L Ford Powerstroke is a great engine (made by International) and should last a long time, as long as I take for service to a veteran independent mechanic.

Every post in the forum is an opinion. If you have a problem with an opinion simply site your source or state your reason why you disagree with Car Dealers going out of business?

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Lighten up Francis. I thought his post was funny too. You stated an opinion. From that we get that you had some bad experiences. Not everyone is in that boat.

I will agree that there is a shortage of diesel mechanics and dealerships suffer from that as well as any shop in the country.
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Re: Car dealers going out of business?
« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2020, 12:47:21 PM »
150 Cadillac Dealers Accept Buyouts Rather Than Tool Up for Electric Models
GM luxury brand dealers balk at estimated $200,000 in upgrade costs for electric vehicles.
Almost 20% of Cadillac dealers have opted to accept buyouts from General Motors Company  (GM)  rather than pay for costly upgrades needed to service and sell electric vehicles, according to a published report Friday.
The move will reduce Cadillac’s U.S. dealership count by about 150 outlets, The Wall Street Journal reported, citing people familiar with the plans.
Dealerships were offered from $300,000 to more than $1 million to exit the brand if they were unwilling to spend about $200,000 on upgrades for charging stations and repair tools, according to the report.
Most of the dealers giving up the Cadillac brand sell other GM lines such as Chevrolet and GMC, according to the report.
Electric vehicles still account for only 2% of U.S. vehicle sales, according to the report.
But shares of companies making and selling electric cars and trucks have taken off this year, led by Tesla Inc.’s  (TSLA)  extraordinary stock performance. Tesla’s market cap now exceeds that of most traditional U.S. automakers combined. And the company’s shares are being added to the S&P 500 index on Dec. 21. Other electric-only competitors, including Nio  (NIO) , have seen their stocks surge as well.
Tesla sells its cars online without a dedicated dealer network. And because electric cars have fewer parts, the profitable parts-and-service units of many dealerships face challenges as more electric vehicles hit the road.
GM’s first electric vehicle isn’t expected until 2022.
Shares of GM rose 1 cent to $44.39 in after-hours trading Friday. Tesla shares fell 4 cents to $599 in after-hours trading.

Here is the link
https://apple.news/Aqud25sQYTkeQyFNAlYn8kA

Tesla sells online and there is a bigger profit margin selling direct. GM is starting to figure it out. They will sell their EV online. I read another report they are offering Cadillac dealers up to $500,000 per franchise.

The link is not fact, but opinion. Porsche came out with the Taycan and immediately saw their ICE sales drop by almost half. Porsche makes about 230,000 cars per year and makes approx $19,000 per vehicle. Covid has had a big impact on all sales of new vehicles.
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Re: Car dealers going out of business?
« Reply #27 on: December 05, 2020, 09:26:56 PM »
I guess you did not get the memo, again. The $7500 Federal Tax Credit ended 12/31/2018 for Tesla

That is only one slice of a larger pie.

There are things like $4.9 billion in government support for Tesla, SolarCity and SpaceX.
https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html#page=1

Lots of organizations with croniest connections get low- or no-interest loans, grants, tax rebates, low-cost leasing of land, helpful regulatory treatment that impedes competitors, lucrative or exclusive government sales deals, etc.

There is a large and thriving ecosystem evolved around this dynamic.

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Re: Car dealers going out of business?
« Reply #28 on: December 06, 2020, 12:21:55 AM »
That is only one slice of a larger pie.

There are things like $4.9 billion in government support for Tesla, SolarCity and SpaceX.
https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html#page=1

Lots of organizations with croniest connections get low- or no-interest loans, grants, tax rebates, low-cost leasing of land, helpful regulatory treatment that impedes competitors, lucrative or exclusive government sales deals, etc.

There is a large and thriving ecosystem evolved around this dynamic.

That article is from 2015.  Lets see what happened since then.

Lets see, the Feds got their money back with interest, for the loan they gave Tesla. And the Nevada deal was so bad no one will likely ever let Tesla build a factory in their state again... oh wait, China, Germany and Texas all did.  Maybe this is all wrong, maybe the truth is that a little government help to a business worth 10 billion USD in 2015 can turn it into a company with a market cap of 500 billion in late 2020.

The reality is that Nevada got a stellar deal on getting Tesla to build, and will reap many times the 1.3 billion in tax incentives.

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The state commissioned an analysis estimating the economic impact from the project at $100 billion over two decades, but some economists called that figure deeply flawed.

Yeah, deeply flawed because Tesla will have a much greater impact than 100 billion for Nevada.

Any state that can spend 1.3 B in incentives for 100B+ of economic benefits is probably doing it very very right.  Any government that can spend 4.9B to help a company succeed to a market cap of 500B in five years did something very very right.

If you're going to link an article on Tesla to supposedly damn them for taking government money, how about something that compares them to other automakers, discusses the benefits instead of just "taking government money", and is something, I dunno from 2020 maybe?  Even 2019 would have been ten times as relevant as that old fossil of an article.
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