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Offline LCADolby

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Re: Monster Tour 251 - Atlau
« Reply #30 on: January 05, 2021, 04:41:40 PM »
Where haven't I been  :noid

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Re: Monster Tour 251 - Atlau
« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2021, 08:13:11 AM »
Can't b&z in a 109k?

You are kidding right?

You can b&z any plane if you fly it that way

Depends on the plane you are attacking and how many friends he has nearby

Atlau has the skill to kill you multiple ways in many different aircraft

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Re: Monster Tour 251 - Atlau
« Reply #32 on: January 06, 2021, 09:15:08 AM »
Yes. Atlau not really a picking BnZ pilot. sure you can dive a Corsair but most F4U sticks are Dog fighters. Can’t BnZ in 109, nor a 38. So the original disparaging comment I was addressing still stands as debunked.

Why can't you BnZ in a P-38?  It is very good in that fighting style.
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Re: Monster Tour 251 - Atlau
« Reply #33 on: January 06, 2021, 09:16:10 AM »
38 and K4, they are just more difficult to BnZ due the 450mph speed limit imposed by their characteristics. But are still very capable of BnZ mode-ing all day.

There is a speed limit on the P-38?  I guess there is if you don't know how to fly one properly.
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Re: Monster Tour 251 - Atlau
« Reply #34 on: January 06, 2021, 10:48:35 AM »
Knowing the limits of each plane helps determine how to fight it - compression is one limitation

One thing for sure if Atlau, Vinkman, Ack Ack, Owl and some others are higher than you it is best to hope they do not see you and try to slink away :)

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Re: Monster Tour 251 - Atlau
« Reply #35 on: January 06, 2021, 11:42:04 AM »
Knowing the limits of each plane helps determine how to fight it - compression is one limitation

One thing for sure if Atlau, Vinkman, Ack Ack, Owl and some others are higher than you it is best to hope they do not see you and try to slink away :)

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Compressability isn't a limitation for the P-38 because it is easy to avoid and still hit 500mph in a dive.
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Re: Monster Tour 251 - Atlau
« Reply #36 on: January 06, 2021, 03:28:57 PM »
contradictions ak  :evil:
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Re: Monster Tour 251 - Atlau
« Reply #37 on: January 06, 2021, 04:03:59 PM »
contradictions ak  :evil:

No contradictions, if one has a clear understanding of what compressability is and at what altitudes it affects the P-38, it is easily avoided and high speed dives are possible.
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Re: Monster Tour 251 - Atlau
« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2021, 04:10:25 PM »
No contradictions, if one has a clear understanding of what compressability is and at what altitudes it affects the P-38, it is easily avoided and high speed dives are possible.
True that. It's a bit more to keep track of on the way down, because you can certainly get into trouble at speed if you don't, but you can really take advantage of the energy going back up with all that weight.

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Re: Monster Tour 251 - Atlau
« Reply #39 on: January 06, 2021, 04:17:52 PM »
True that. It's a bit more to keep track of on the way down, because you can certainly get into trouble at speed if you don't, but you can really take advantage of the energy going back up with all that weight.

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Re: Monster Tour 251 - Atlau
« Reply #40 on: January 06, 2021, 04:20:28 PM »
No contradictions,There are no limitation as long as you know the limitations
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Re: Monster Tour 251 - Atlau
« Reply #41 on: January 06, 2021, 07:31:43 PM »
I have very few hard and fast rules in this game, but one is "Don't follow a 38 in a zoom unless I've got a TON more E than he does."


True.

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Re: Monster Tour 251 - Atlau
« Reply #42 on: January 06, 2021, 07:33:37 PM »

True.

Nevertheless, I keep trying.

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Re: Monster Tour 251 - Atlau
« Reply #43 on: January 06, 2021, 07:56:39 PM »

True.

Nevertheless, I keep trying.

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As do I.  I should've appended "and expect to survive".  I have a similar problem pressing Zekes too hard and losing all my E, then having them out-accelerate me and I die.  The worst part is knowing it's a bad life decision and doing it anyways. :)

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Re: Monster Tour 251 - Atlau
« Reply #44 on: January 07, 2021, 11:42:25 AM »
Anyone can fly a plane any style, although it might be difficult. You can turn n burn a p51D all day against many pilots in the game and perhaps beat them no matter what they are flying. That is the name of the game, however, that's not the style that the p51 actually is. The plane is a BnZ plane thru and thru. Much like every American plane, simply because thats how they were designed given our position in the war. Some planes like the f4u can turn well, but are total slugs low n slow on the deck. To be the most successful, it should be flown BnZ style and only turn fight in desperate situations.

A rule of thumb i generally go by is, if the plane can dive faster than 500 knots, its a BnZ plane. IMO, they style the plane should be flown in is not necessarily the style that people fly the plane with. Some planes like the P38 and K4 can be used as both as they have great acceleration and E retention, though its iffy if they are actually truely BnZ style planes. The p38 is more BnZ than the K4, but generally both the planes are very similar even though they are totally different body types. Just because a plane can go fast flying straight, that doesn't necessarily make it a BnZ plane. BNZ generally refers to its ability to dive fast and zoom away without another plane catching it.

Most axis planes are not BnZ planes besides 190s and ta152s. These are pure BnZ planes. Sure you can attempt to turn them on the deck, but its not gonna work out too well for you. Planes like the Ki84, Nik, spits, la7s, 109s, are knife fighter planes. They are not BnZ planes nor TnB planes. They fit right in the middle. They should be flown much like how a shark eats its prey. Fly fast at mid alt and strike quickly, use defense maneuvers to shake cons and gain the advantage thru overshoot. They typically take a good amount of more skill to be successful in because they generally get tied up on the deck in the furball and get picked easier than BnZ planes. BnZ planes catch them and you have to know how to escape that. Thats why they typically have lower overall K/D than the BnZ planes. You also have pure TnB planes like the ki43, A6m, and generally early war planes besides the P40.

Any plane can be flown any style, its just that some planes are better at BnZ than others and should only be flown BnZ if you want to be successful, while some planes cannot be BnZ planes because they are not fast enough in the dive and cannot simply zoom away when a con jumps the 6.

It's important to learn these styles correctly in these planes to be more successful in them. Sure you can fly a plane any style, it's just going to make your situation much more difficult, not saying you shouldn't try either. Sometimes its fun to make it more difficult. 
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