Age old question... membership

[DmonSlyr]

Dam I got my butt kicked all the time here by  Violater even in the close tree top turn fights w had in 109s and he always won due to a fubar move I would make so ya butt kicking is part of all games

Well you are always a fun fight and you are pretty damn good yourself, so I know you've gotten me a few times as well.   

It's fun to learn from the great sticks if you really want to understand ACM and maneuvers. It's very hard to be good at any game until you've got wacked by the best for a while and ask them to show you some things.

[LCADolby]

However, lusche did post stats that the majority of players want to play in fighters and that that #s was decreasing due to certain factors with gameplay.

Please link, I'd like to view these statistics 

[DmonSlyr]

Please link, I'd like to view these statistics 

Ask him. I'm not gonna go thru AH history forum records. The stats clearly showed that most people flew in fighters and that # has clearly dropped over the years. So have the tank and bomber #s. But the fighter #s were the biggest drop off.

[The Fugitive]

Please link, I'd like to view these statistics 

Ya, I asked him the same thing 

[DmonSlyr]

Ya, I asked him the same thing 

How is this not common sense? 

[The Fugitive]

How is this not common sense? 

Because YOUR common sense isnt as common as you believe. Just because "more players fly fighters" doesnt mean the same as "more players LIKE to fly fighters". All of your thoughts and ideas for this game stem completely around what YOU believe is,  everyone wants to fight in fighters, and it just not true, not even close.

I like fighting in fighters, but I also like to do bomber milk runs to see if I can beat my highest damage total. I also like to jump in vehicles to try my luck against the super stars we have in the game. I also like to work with my squad, heck almost any group that is working toward a goal be it defense or offence. I think I represent a far large group of players than you do by a huge margin.

Do you know why you see "so many players flying fighters"? Because they get bombs to the target faster. Also its a lot easier to vulch in a fighter than it is in a buff, though doing it in a buff is a riot! lusche did NOT post stats that the majority of players want to play in fighters. Lusche has no way of knowing what players "Want". He could only post the numbers he could pull from the game, want has nothing to do with it. That was why I wanted you to post a link because I knew you never could. So again, your logic is faulty.

Personally I would like to see only small maps even if they do get rolled quickly...... by all those fighter guys    I think new players would have more fun if the action was moving quickly. At least having there butts handed to them every flight wouldnt hurt so much as long as there is action around for the next flight. The large maps get boring for a long time players, what do you think a newb is going to think of it?

One other thing, we have a different type of player these days. Far too many players doing the pick and run in their ponies looking to run up kill streaks to look good for the ladies when they land  we all know who they are. Gone are the days when a player popped the same a guy a few times and then tuned him up on the radio to try and help them out to get better at the game. The all mighty "kill count" far out weighs the "help to retain players" thing. Until the next wave of gamers rolls in to again change how the game is played OR Hitech steps in and forces a change I fear we well continue along the path we are on now, a slow decline. 

[guncrasher]

fugitive is a rookie, I fly bombers to sink cv's while listening to the bee gees.


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[hazmatt]

One other thing, we have a different type of player these days. Far too many players doing the pick and run in their ponies looking to run up kill streaks to look good for the ladies when they land  we all know who they are. Gone are the days when a player popped the same a guy a few times and then tuned him up on the radio to try and help them out to get better at the game. The all mighty "kill count" far out weighs the "help to retain players" thing. Until the next wave of gamers rolls in to again change how the game is played OR Hitech steps in and forces a change I fear we well continue along the path we are on now, a slow decline. 

This feeds on itself too as I find myself flying faster planes at higher alts to counter these ponies.

[The Fugitive]

This feeds on itself too as I find myself flying faster planes at higher alts to counter these ponies.

True, but the next step in that evolution is to ignore them. Fly what you want at the alt you want. If they want to come all the way down where I am and pick me ,what ever. Im not going to let THEM dictate how Im going to fly. I know they arent going to fight (get an edge on them and they dive out and run for 3 sectors.) so I dont bother with them. Dying isnt a problem, I do it all the time, but finding a fun fight, thats a rarity.

[DmonSlyr]

Because YOUR common sense isnt as common as you believe. Just because "more players fly fighters" doesnt mean the same as "more players LIKE to fly fighters". All of your thoughts and ideas for this game stem completely around what YOU believe is,  everyone wants to fight in fighters, and it just not true, not even close.

I like fighting in fighters, but I also like to do bomber milk runs to see if I can beat my highest damage total. I also like to jump in vehicles to try my luck against the super stars we have in the game. I also like to work with my squad, heck almost any group that is working toward a goal be it defense or offence. I think I represent a far large group of players than you do by a huge margin.

Do you know why you see "so many players flying fighters"? Because they get bombs to the target faster. Also its a lot easier to vulch in a fighter than it is in a buff, though doing it in a buff is a riot! lusche did NOT post stats that the majority of players want to play in fighters. Lusche has no way of knowing what players "Want". He could only post the numbers he could pull from the game, want has nothing to do with it. That was why I wanted you to post a link because I knew you never could. So again, your logic is faulty.

Personally I would like to see only small maps even if they do get rolled quickly...... by all those fighter guys    I think new players would have more fun if the action was moving quickly. At least having there butts handed to them every flight wouldnt hurt so much as long as there is action around for the next flight. The large maps get boring for a long time players, what do you think a newb is going to think of it?

One other thing, we have a different type of player these days. Far too many players doing the pick and run in their ponies looking to run up kill streaks to look good for the ladies when they land  we all know who they are. Gone are the days when a player popped the same a guy a few times and then tuned him up on the radio to try and help them out to get better at the game. The all mighty "kill count" far out weighs the "help to retain players" thing. Until the next wave of gamers rolls in to again change how the game is played OR Hitech steps in and forces a change I fear we well continue along the path we are on now, a slow decline. 

I think you are over thinking it man. Fighters are the key to action and building #s in AH. That's not my opinion. That's based on 17 years of playing. I'm not saying that people don't like to play bombers or tanks. Infact I know many who like tanks much better. I have done plenty of bombing runs. Not saying those shouldn't be part of the game. My point is that you see the majority of players in fighters. When the action is stale and there is no fighter action is when you see the lowest #s, which is why I have a problem with a few of the maps.

I've already talked about this issue of super late war planes dominating the MA and its effect and Hitechs refusal to adjust ENY for certain planes and also increasing the cost of certain planes perks and perking super late war planes atleast 5 perks. It would severely cut down on the super E planes, which would in effect prevent everyone from having to fly super E planes just to compete. Obviously 2 weekers should get them for free. The yak3 being about the same eny as a spit9 is absolutely ridiculous.

[The Fugitive]

I think you are over thinking it man. Fighters are the key to action and building #s in AH. That's not my opinion. That's based on 17 years of playing. I'm not saying that people don't like to play bombers or tanks. Infact I know many who like tanks much better. I have done plenty of bombing runs. Not saying those shouldn't be part of the game. My point is that you see the majority of players in fighters. When the action is stale and there is no fighter action is when you see the lowest #s, which is why I have a problem with a few of the maps.

I've already talked about this issue of super late war planes dominating the MA and its effect and Hitechs refusal to adjust ENY for certain planes and also increasing the cost of certain planes perks and perking super late war planes atleast 5 perks. It would severely cut down on the super E planes, which would in effect prevent everyone from having to fly super E planes just to compete. Obviously 2 weekers should get them for free. The yak3 being about the same eny as a spit9 is absolutely ridiculous.

I think you may be under thinking it.

Years ago furballs would pop up and some lasted hours, most didnt. Todays player most likely wouldnt be caught in a furball, maybe the reason you dont see them that much any more. Todays player is more about the base grab, or picking and running to get as many kills as they can. Changing how those players play isnt going to work because there IS no way to change it.

We need new players with a better frame of mind in how the game is played.

[DmonSlyr]

I think you may be under thinking it.

Years ago furballs would pop up and some lasted hours, most didnt. Todays player most likely wouldnt be caught in a furball, maybe the reason you dont see them that much any more. Todays player is more about the base grab, or picking and running to get as many kills as they can. Changing how those players play isnt going to work because there IS no way to change it.

We need new players with a better frame of mind in how the game is played.

I'm not saying that I want to change how players play. A player can still go off on their own on a smaller map, climb to 25k and bomb random bases just the same. A player can go attack an undefended base on their own on a small map just the same. Notice how that's a small amount of players that play like that. I hopped on late last night at about 11pm est. Noticed that almost all of the fighters were in furbal Island. There were 62 players on, which is a lot for that time, and it seemed like there was a good air battle going on. This was Ndisles. A great map IMO.  Because there was a fun area to fight in, the #s stayed in the 60s, when they generally would have been in the 40s on most other maps. To me, it's just kind of dumb to encourage lone players attacking random fields with low #s, rather than encourage a lot of players to furball on a smaller map that provides faster action for everyone. I think you can clearly see what people want just by looking at the #s and fight situations during the off hours.

Do I wish there was unwritten rules about ganging and vets flying EZ mode super planes? Absolutely. But there isn't, and you aren't gonna change people's natural instincts, you can only change the environment they play in to make them consider wanting to change their style.

[guncrasher]

I'm not saying that I want to change how players play. A player can still go off on their own on a smaller map, climb to 25k and bomb random bases just the same. A player can go attack an undefended base on their own on a small map just the same. Notice how that's a small amount of players that play like that. I hopped on late last night at about 11pm est. Noticed that almost all of the fighters were in furbal Island. There were 62 players on, which is a lot for that time, and it seemed like there was a good air battle going on. This was Ndisles. A great map IMO.  Because there was a fun area to fight in, the #s stayed in the 60s, when they generally would have been in the 40s on most other maps. To me, it's just kind of dumb to encourage lone players attacking random fields with low #s, rather than encourage a lot of players to furball on a smaller map that provides faster action for everyone. I think you can clearly see what people want just by looking at the #s and fight situations during the off hours.

Do I wish there was unwritten rules about ganging and vets flying EZ mode super planes? Absolutely. But there isn't, and you aren't gonna change people's natural instincts, you can only change the environment they play in to make them consider wanting to change their style.

your first and last sentence contradict each other.


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[DmonSlyr]

your first and last sentence contradict each other.


semp

No they don't.

[guncrasher]

No they don't.

"I'm not saying I want to change how people play"

"you can only change the environment to make them want to change"

not word by word but...


semp