Self defense?

[DmonSlyr]

Stepping back in with a question.   I've tried to make it clear that what has me angry was that a 17 year old kid was walking the streets with an AR at all. 

Basically what I'm seeing from folks is they are OK with a kid walking around with an AR under those circumstances. 

Now I'm an old white guy and my oldest son was white.  Are you saying that had similar circumstances existed when my oldest was 17, that I should have been OK with him taking one of my ARs and going out on the street to a volatile situation on his own to try and 'help"?

If so, would that also apply to my youngest son, the fighter pilot in my avatar, who happens to be black, when he turns 17 and a similar instance arises?  I should lend him my AR and send him on his way to 'help".  And if so, and he runs into a situation where someone seeing him with an AR walking the streets in a volatile and unsafe setting, tries to come for his AR, it would be OK for him to pull the trigger to defend himself?   

And if so do you think, as a young black man he'd be praised as a hero by folks on the far right? Would Tucker Carlson would do a documentary on his experience in support of my youngest?

Does a parent's responsibility for their kids disappear when they are 17?

Just curious as to what you folks think.

No intention of debating it, just curious as to what folks think.  Stepping back out now.

Just be happy your 18 year old wasn't forced to go Vietnam to fight someone else's war without the parents being able to have any say in the matter. Those government officials were never held accountable and a lot of good kids lives were over before the age of 19.

Now our military can't even defend its own country from radical communist. Amazing.

[guncrasher]

Just be happy your 18 year old wasn't forced to go Vietnam to fight someone else's war without the parents being able to have any say in the matter. Those government officials were never held accountable and a lot of good kids lives were over before the age of 19.

Now our military can't even defend its own country from radical communist. Amazing.

if you never held a rifle and took an oath to protect this country,  shut up about something you know nothing about except for your misguided q affected mind.

you are insulting those who protect your right to say stupid crap.

semp

[DmonSlyr]

if you never held a rifle and took an oath to protect this country,  shut up about something you know nothing about except for your misguided q affected mind.

you are insulting those who protect your right to say stupid crap.

semp

Misguided? Even a blind man can see whats going on. What's insulting is watching 10k good marines lose their careers over this BS mandate. Only a communist would think that's "better" for America.

[guncrasher]

Misguided? Even a blind man can see whats going on. What's insulting is watching 10k good marines lose their careers over this BS mandate. Only a communist would think that's "better" for America.

so you mean George Washington invented communism. because he ordered his troops to be vaccinated.

and before you go on a rant about unproven vaccines,  remember all vaccines were at one time unproven.

when i joined the marines I was told to get lined up, both arms. don't even know which vaccines I took. it didn't violate my constitutional rights.  I gave those up so people like you can speak bs. only rights i had were in a different book.  my rights were protected by it.  I believed it then and I believe it now. my only choice was follow my oath or be kicked out. I chose to follow my oath.

that's something you know nothing about.  since you once said that you didn't join because you didn't want to be indoctrinated.

you want to fight communism take the oath and pick up a rifle. or you can keep reading about the q bs and whine . hope some day you'll think for yourself, perhaps joining will help you but most likely will get you kicked out.

semp

[Chris79]

so you mean George Washington invented communism. because he ordered his troops to be vaccinated.

and before you go on a rant about unproven vaccines,  remember all vaccines were at one time unproven.

when i joined the marines I was told to get lined up, both arms. don't even know which vaccines I took. it didn't violate my constitutional rights.  I gave those up so people like you can speak bs. only rights i had were in a different book.  my rights were protected by it.  I believed it then and I believe it now. my only choice was follow my oath or be kicked out. I chose to follow my oath.

that's something you know nothing about.  since you once said that you didn't join because you didn't want to be indoctrinated.

you want to fight communism take the oath and pick up a rifle. or you can keep reading about the q bs and whine . hope some day you'll think for yourself, perhaps joining will help you but most likely will get you kicked out.

semp

Comparing small pox to covid isn’t practical in terms of this thread. Small pox had the ability to completely ravage a 18th century army with an fatality rate approaching 20%. Covid on the other hand has a mortality rate amongst younger healthier people of about .025%. I personally think that all service members who’s contract took effect prior to Covid ought to be exempt from the vaccine. However, those same personal ought to be required to take the vaccine or any such covid counter measures prescribed by the DoD if they choose to re-enlist

[DmonSlyr]

so you mean George Washington invented communism. because he ordered his troops to be vaccinated.

and before you go on a rant about unproven vaccines,  remember all vaccines were at one time unproven.

when i joined the marines I was told to get lined up, both arms. don't even know which vaccines I took. it didn't violate my constitutional rights.  I gave those up so people like you can speak bs. only rights i had were in a different book.  my rights were protected by it.  I believed it then and I believe it now. my only choice was follow my oath or be kicked out. I chose to follow my oath.

that's something you know nothing about.  since you once said that you didn't join because you didn't want to be indoctrinated.

you want to fight communism take the oath and pick up a rifle. or you can keep reading about the q bs and whine . hope some day you'll think for yourself, perhaps joining will help you but most likely will get you kicked out.

semp

Exactly what Chris said. Though this "vaccine" is not a "vaccine" so I don't trust it and anyone with a brain can see its not stopping anything. If a bad batch hit our military, they would be toast. So why risk it? But again, Semp. Why do you want them to all leave?

First of all, that's not what I said about joining, love how you always put words in my mouth. I said personal reasons. My entire family served for generations, one in Vietnam. Who do you think they all support? My contribution is outside of what the military is allowed, the information war. The voice of the citizen. But why do you tbink it'd smart to reduce the military by 10s of thousands?

Don't take offense at an American defending property from communist after we went to another country to take care of communist for them with Americans the same age. If our military doesn't stop the communist propaganda, subversion, riots, government corruption, of the current gambit. The American people will have no choice but to stop them ourselves. You better hope Q is military. In the spirit of George Washington and James Madison. We will not allow the NWO to take America. You can take that to the bank.

[guncrasher]

Comparing small pox to covid isn’t practical in terms of this thread. Small pox had the ability to completely ravage a 18th century army with an fatality rate approaching 20%. Covid on the other hand has a mortality rate amongst younger healthier people of about .025%. I personally think that all service members who’s contract took effect prior to Covid ought to be exempt from the vaccine. However, those same personal ought to be required to take the vaccine or any such covid counter measures prescribed by the DoD if they choose to re-enlist

come and help me care for my wife.  she survived covid, but her mental ability is not the same. it's isnt about live or die, it affects other things.

when i joined the marines i took after boot camp vaccines that made me sick.  but yet i took the oath.  I'll do whatever it takes to defend this country.  you think in terms of vaccines, I think in terms of bullets.  oh no I wont take a jab, but sure I will take a bullet and die.  you see the how stupid it sounds, I could get killed by enemy bullets, but no, the jab might kill me.  I followed orders from above me, you think think i wanted to die?, hell no, but i knew that was the risk.  that was the oath I took.  follow orders from above, dont question do what it requires to do the job. you dont understand that. not really sure what to tell you.  I am not a robot, I just did what my job required me to do.  and I did it to be the best of my ability.

semp

[guncrasher]

that's something you guys will never understand.  they order you take take whatever, hill, bunker, dont matter. you think some guys didnt think hell no, I would rather be home, drink a beer and get laid with my friends sister.  you join, you got a job to do, you do it or get out.

when you understand that, come and talk to me


semp

[DmonSlyr]

It's not smart for 10K+ troops to be let go. Sounds like weakening the country is the main goal all around. The military either fights for the constitution or the NWO. It can't be both. Doing the bidding of the NWO global government is anti constitutional.

But my whole point was. If an 18 year old can go to Vietnam by force to fight communism. Then they can sure as hell fight communism that's infiltrated America.

[Eagler]

Getting back to self defense...glad it went the other way in GA as that clearly wasn't self defense IMO

Eagler

[decoy]

Oh I know what a 223 does, I hunted with one for a few years. Then I went to 243, then to a 300BLK. I like the 300 as it does significantly less broad meat damage (hydrostatic damage) than the 243. For me a 223 would penetrate more than 3 inches at typical shooting ranges (100-200 yards)

I've known several people that scoffed at a 30/30 because it didn't have the 'power' to consistently kill a deer, and then migrated to a .223 for deer hunting.   The .223 was adopted by the US Army on the 'more rounds per pound' theory, but I've heard a lot of people say that the .223 is designed to wound rather than kill.  Headshots being an obvious exception. A wounded enemy soldier requires more attention than a dead one.  In college, in ROTC, an old sergeant major who taught TTIS gave this demonstration.  He passed around a .223 round and a 7.62x39 (AK37) round and said, "Gentlemen, this is one reason we failed in Vietnam.  We were shooting beauty queens and Charlie was shooting peasants."  I never questioned that old sergeant, but I've never done any research on the terminal ballistics of the 7.62x39 either.

[Chris79]

I've known several people that scoffed at a 30/30 because it didn't have the 'power' to consistently kill a deer, and then migrated to a .223 for deer hunting.   The .223 was adopted by the US Army on the 'more rounds per pound' theory, but I've heard a lot of people say that the .223 is designed to wound rather than kill.  Headshots being an obvious exception. A wounded enemy soldier requires more attention than a dead one.  In college, in ROTC, an old sergeant major who taught TTIS gave this demonstration.  He passed around a .223 round and a 7.62x39 (AK37) round and said, "Gentlemen, this is one reason we failed in Vietnam.  We were shooting beauty queens and Charlie was shooting peasants."  I never questioned that old sergeant, but I've never done any research on the terminal ballistics of the 7.62x39 either.

I have both a Yugoslav SKS and a Ruger Mini-14, if the crap hit the fan the SKS would be my go to weapon.

[Nefarious]

I have both a Yugoslav SKS and a Ruger Mini-14, if the crap hit the fan the SKS would be my go to weapon.

Comrade Simonov smiles down from heaven.

[guncrasher]

It's not smart for 10K+ troops to be let go. Sounds like weakening the country is the main goal all around. The military either fights for the constitution or the NWO. It can't be both. Doing the bidding of the NWO global government is anti constitutional.

But my whole point was. If an 18 year old can go to Vietnam by force to fight communism. Then they can sure as hell fight communism that's infiltrated America.

that's what you dont understand, you can't pick and choose which orders to follow.  if they're allowed to stay that send a signal that it's OK to refuse orders, that's what weakens the country.


semp

[Chris79]

It's not smart for 10K+ troops to be let go. Sounds like weakening the country is the main goal all around. The military either fights for the constitution or the NWO. It can't be both. Doing the bidding of the NWO global government is anti constitutional.

But my whole point was. If an 18 year old can go to Vietnam by force to fight communism. Then they can sure as hell fight communism that's infiltrated America.

The vast majority of the so called communist/socialist/anti-fa ect in the US would not last a week in a Soviet style state. They have no skill and tend to run their mouths. It’s a perfect combination to create professional wood choppers in Siberia. In all honestly I have absolutely no idea what their end game is. They seem almost to be agents of chaos futility attempting to satisfy some void in their selves by wantonly grasping what ever non-sense that happens to give them self gratification.